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by izentrop » 27/05/23, 15:17

Ahmed wrote:The answer to my question is clear and complete: This fuel cannot be processed in France because the option has not been made.
We had the option before everyone else with Super phenix, which was sabotaged by Jospin for purely political reasons...
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 27/05/23, 16:47

No. Because it cost two arms and it never worked.
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by izentrop » 27/05/23, 17:11

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:No. Because it cost two arms and it never worked.
Wrong!

On that if your sources are only a reactionary newspaper CE, you cannot know
The use of fast neutron reactors makes it possible to increase by a considerable factor the energy potential of the planet's uranium deposits. Not just a hundred times, but many more. In fact, the energy recovery of uranium resulting from breeding makes it possible to make profitable very poor deposits, which would remain unexploited if only a hundredth part of the ore could be used. When desired later, these reactors may as well consume thorium, the deposits of which are even more abundant than those of uranium.

During its first fifteen years of operation, the operation of Phénix was extremely satisfactory. It is true that in 1990 this reactor was shut down following a number of incidents whose origin has not been fully elucidated, but which do not constitute, in the eyes of the Nuclear Installations Safety Department, an obstacle upon its return to service. Although Phénix has not operated much in recent years, this time has been used by the CEA to carry out a major program of work intended to upgrade certain characteristics of this plant, the design of which dates back thirty years. In the spring of 1998, on the favorable opinion of the Safety Authority, the government authorized its resumption. It is very satisfying that this is so. In particular, only operation at high power will make it possible to understand the nature of the incidents mentioned above.

Superphoenix is ​​the third step. Its construction, in Creys-Malville, was launched in 1976, in the aftermath of the oil crisis, at a time when the national electronuclear equipment program was experiencing a sharp acceleration. Its power, of 1 MW electric, was chosen at the level of that of the nuclear power stations with water built at the same time. Its characteristics were essentially inspired directly by those of Phoenix. For this achievement EDF joined forces with several European partners, which required making some amendments to the nationalization law of 200, and therefore a debate in Parliament, which took place in the fall of 1946.

The operation of Phénix and Superphénix has highlighted certain remarkable characteristics of fast neutron nuclear power plants: high thermodynamic efficiency, minimal exposure of personnel to radiation, very little effluent, less production of radioactive waste, etc. The demonstration of breeding was brought to Phénix, as well as the possibility of reprocessing and recycling in a repeated way its fuel.

Contrary to common misconceptions, fast neutron reactors are as safe as any other. The experience acquired with Phénix and Superphénix has confirmed that they have very interesting characteristics from this point of view.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 27/05/23, 17:17

Yes, it's beautiful on paper but the reality is quite different...
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by izentrop » 27/05/23, 17:44

Say rather: "your reality" fed to the satirical newspapers https://www.lecanardenchaine.fr/
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 27/05/23, 17:52

The reality is that Superphenix never really worked, the bunch, for a staggering cost.
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by izentrop » 27/05/23, 18:03

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:The reality is that Superphenix never really worked, the bunch, for a staggering cost.
You are right : Twisted: : Twisted:

That's why China and Russia have successfully followed suit and all countries in the world want to do the same. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9ac ... des#France : Twisted: : Twisted:
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 27/05/23, 18:06

They may succeed, THEM. : Mrgreen:
Otherwise, we will resume Astrid, stopped by whom?
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by sicetaitsimple » 27/05/23, 18:45

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:Otherwise, we will resume Astrid, stopped by whom?


The chief gravedigger of nuclear power in France is F. Hollande with his electoral promise of "50% nuclear production by 2025" made in 2012, to attract 1 or 2% of votes from the Greens in the second round.
To demotivate an entire sector, to deprive itself of young "talents", to encourage the companies involved to reduce the sails, in particular on the efforts of RetD, he could not do better.
Regarding Astrid, Macron only noted the clinical death of the project.
We may regret it, but that's how it is.
That it will resume on Franco-French bases seems unlikely to me. That said, the current park was built on the basis of a design and an American Westinghouse license, if certain countries manage to develop a good product it will always be possible to discuss with them.
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by Ahmed » 27/05/23, 18:48

F. Hollande preferred Julie to Astrid: the heart has its reasons that reason ignores... : Oops:
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