Vegetable garden of the (super) lazy in the 04 (800m)

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

If I understand correctly, you prefer that it is me that confuses me ???

He must miss a word in your answer [I edited and corrected that]

I passed on to Mrs. .... by SMS .... not crazy ...

[Did67]

Too bad if your smartphone takes a hit!

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

For the potato, most probably early blight. A "cryptogamic" disease (caused by a fungus), similar to milidou, but different. I don't know where it was discussed with Julienmos.

Few remedies. Linked to excess moisture. And maybe sensitive varieties.

You can try to "slow down" the development, without curing, with potassium bicarbonate, volcanic rock powder, certain decoctions or liquid manure ...

That said, they are very "green-yellow", indicating a fairly marked lack of nitrogen / nitrate.

For beet-salad, I opt for beetroot etiolated (lack of light; growth under living cover ????; seedling too dense?). It is normal that there are no filled roots yet. They too suffer from a lack of nitrogen. The roots will fill in and become fleshy later. At this stage, we can transplant the "bare root" beets! You cut the end of the root. You cut some of the foliage. You transplant. It's flogged for eight days, time to take root and it starts again! In extreme situations ("dodger", no rain), you can shade with upturned crates and water a little on the line ...

I remember that answer actually.

Indeed it is certain and certain that there was an excess of moisture ....

For lack of nitrogen ok the next cleaning of the hen house is ALL for MOA ....

I was also thinking about beetroot .... so much better

Well we'll let it grow .... and see

Thank you

[olivier75]

Hello,
I allow myself to continue Didier's answer, when for some reason x (rain, absence, gradual ripening, etc.), we want to harvest seeds before maturity, we must do it as late as possible, when the 1st ones reach maturity , and tear up the whole plant with its roots and dry everything, possibly upside down in a paper bag to collect the seeds that would come off on their own. it is particularly useful with salads, beets, parsley. There is no point in harvesting in advance the seeds that do not come off alone (beans, onions, etc.) or those that have an "uninterrupted" production like borage.
For the onions, the selection would require that we only collect the seeds that actually come in the 2nd year in order to avoid prioritizing early runs. This year I decided to lose the mounted onions and recover the seeds "to germinate".

For your beet, it can be red Swiss chard, the peduncle seems a little long for beets, but the difference with beets at this stage is not really visible, let it grow.

Olivier

[Did67]

In all points of agreement ...

Indeed, the red petioles (or perry) have become very popular as ornamental !!! But it is primarily a vegetable and a long time a vegetable.

[I have a doubt: isn't the plant the perry and the vegetable the chard ??? Like the lettuce and the plant and the "salad" what we eat ???]

On second thought, I think you're right. I had gone a little quickly on "etiolated" beet, knowing that Nico cultivates under sometimes dense living cover. At this leaf stage, you should have a slightly swollen root on the beet.

[olivier75]

Chard, chard or perry, I have never read a "physical" differentiation.
Olivier

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Hello,
I allow myself to continue Didier's answer, when for some reason x (rain, absence, gradual ripening, etc.), we want to harvest seeds before maturity, we must do it as late as possible, when the 1st ones reach maturity , and tear up the whole plant with its roots and dry everything, possibly upside down in a paper bag to collect the seeds that would come off on their own. it is particularly useful with salads, beets, parsley. There is no point in harvesting in advance the seeds that do not come off alone (beans, onions, etc.) or those that have an "uninterrupted" production like borage.
For the onions, the selection would require that we only collect the seeds that actually come in the 2nd year in order to avoid prioritizing early runs. This year I decided to lose the mounted onions and recover the seeds "to germinate".

For your beet, it can be red Swiss chard, the peduncle seems a little long for beets, but the difference with beets at this stage is not really visible, let it grow.

Olivier

Oh yes, but of course it could be the good thing ...

As we had a winter and a spring a little overloaded yet it is quite possible that Mrs. zapped that.

We also need to keep the bags of seeds instead of throwing them away like idiots: that's what we said to each other tonight

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

In all points of agreement ...

Indeed, the red petioles (or perry) have become very popular as ornamental !!! But it is primarily a vegetable and a long time a vegetable.

[I have a doubt: isn't the plant the perry and the vegetable the chard ??? Like the lettuce and the plant and the "salad" what we eat ???]

On second thought, I think you're right. I had gone a little quickly on "etiolated" beet, knowing that Nico cultivates under sometimes dense living cover. At this leaf stage, you should have a slightly swollen root on the beet.

Yes we use a little all the names I think ....

Indeed the chard seems a good track.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Some news between two work sessions and some holidays.

After a few days in the Hautes Alpes we could admire the fields of potatoes in bloom of various vegetable gardens.

Back in our penates and as we are lucky to have rain almost every night I told myself, already that the potatoes left spin (see page 79) and disintegrated even before blooming ( Diabolorent will be able to testify that did not ... saw anything in the field of potatoes because there was nothing more to see) so to take a look under the straw and to save the few tubercles survivors of the disaster ...

Ouh la la suprise I start to go back and rummage and there potatoes, not a mess but almost.
Gosh.

Not necessarily very big but very beautiful in appearance.
Totally separated from any stem or "root" but present sometimes in the ground, sometimes in the straw or in the thickness of straw slabs always compact.

In short not being a specialist in potatoes I wonder how plants that did not even flower can produce but the fact is that here is the picture of the crop that we made tonight at the déboté after this good surprise and which represents approximately a little less than 20% of the total.

For the record 15% about "planted" in earth and the rest put then VERY generously covered with compact straw.

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Here you have the harvest of the day, to continue tomorrow and the following days ... pfff it's not easy.

AInsi that one of the two plates of delicious shots of the evening.

Do not dream: I had "planted" about 28kg.

We should have fivefold this sowing and there, according to Mrs. who has more compass in the eye than me, we should do, if the continuation is in unison from the beginning, an 50aine kg or twice the sowing, which is not extraordinary but remains unimaginable in view of the development that I judge (but perhaps I am wrong) aborted of these plants.

Two questions now arise.

- How can plants that have never flowered have grown?

- Conservation ... what is the best method?

[Did67]

The first question has an extremely simple answer: the potato produces tubers, which are swollen underground stems, filled with reserve. The flowering is a "legacy" of a previous tomato way of life (these are small "tomatoes" or eggplants - these are plants of the same family), uninteresting *.

I found better: these "leftovers" of consumption potatoes in my cellar, already with very small potatoes on the sprouts that have never seen the light !!!

Tuberization has nothing to do with flowering. It is controlled by hormones. It's quite complex - I do not remember (except it's complicated!).

*: this is however of interest for breeders, who cross different varieties (hybridization) to "reshuffle the genetic cards" and sow the seeds to see if by chance they have hit the "jackpot" (a new variety with interesting characters, never combined until then) ... This is only possible through the flowers, the tubers, when they are replanted, necessarily giving the same variety: it is a cloning. We can even say that all the potatoes of the same variety are small pieces scattered around the world of the same organism that was the original potato resulting from a hybridization. A bit as if in humans, we cut off a tip of nico's little finger, which would continue to live, then a tip of nico's little fingers, etc ... There would be millions of "little bits of nico" un everywhere ! How awful !!!! [humor]