VAE experience, practical electric bicycle with trailer

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by bidouille23 » 13/02/15, 00:04

Hello ,

fully agree with you, on the points that you raised ...
I did not go into details .. it is actually necessary to start by determining its needs and the geography, in order to best size the battery capacity ...

In terms of engine power, it's true that I looked for 12 V there are none ...

On the bike management side there is the batt man or for purists and who want data from all sides and advanced controls, there is the Cycle analyst ... not the same price but not the same functions or possibilities. ..

Regarding the modeling batteries, (I am 100% ok for the weight and the calculation of Ah
/ Kg, mine is heavy compared to the weight ...) Before buying anything I read a lot (given my geographic configuration the weight was not a big problem for me, D + at least 200 m (and again) above the sea on the biggest of my coasts;)), and what emerged from my reading is that, except for taking very special cells type A123 original (those that doctor bass used for its records that we find necore in some Dewalt drums .... The Ping genre pack is neither more nor less than classic li ion cells, except that before being mounted it is charged controlled and equalized before being tied, and re tested ...

Something in modeling is not necessarily the case, so there may be on some pack weakness of an element, but as the protection is made on a basis of general tension, if a cell is naz, the bms cuts all the battery ... often it is the first cell that muffles ... On the other hand if they are recharged or emptied badly, this can be fatal ... It is therefore necessary to invest in a real charger which optimizes the end of charge, phase critical ...


On cylcurba, the difference between "classic" and high-fly airframe is of course made, and it is true ... it all depends on the price and the utility ...
I did not see at the time a lot of negative feedback, if not too important empties killing the batteries ... or charges causing the fire ... but this is also true for any battery li ion ... on forum American too, model battery users do not complain, well this said I did not set foot on these forum for a year ... things may have changed ... but I know that manufacturers from Zippy participate in forum endless, for example and know full well that their productions are also used in VAE, suddenly there has been progress .... And a production after all harmonized and more efficient ... or / and better controlled ..

But I repeat, I agree 100% that some brands have processes. of manufacturing or superior controls, ultimately giving more finished and robust products ... A123 for example without question .. but it costs more it is clear, but often we also find ourselves in efficiency and longevity .. ..

Everything is a question of budget and personal investment I think ... we must find the right solution that's all.

And for the present case I found that precisely, even if the ground is flat, there is a sleigh pulled, suddenly the pedal motor is practical, due to the speed precisely, if there is heavy to pull ...

after in terms of battery power, a 10 ah or a 15 Ah can be very suitable depending on the use ... If you can recharge like me on arrival, no problem with an 8Ah ... if you have to go back and forth it is not the same ... In short each case is indeed a particular case ... here we are talking about the flat country if I'm not mistaken ...

And well seen the trailer fixing system ... I will resume the thing ... I had in time small trailer hitch balls to mount on moped ... that's better :) ...

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by Dame Andean » 17/02/15, 09:51

Thank you very much bidouille23, citro, lumberjack and dirk pitt. :-)
I was well on the road a few days so, I discover everything in one go. Well I admit that I did not always understand everything when the language was technical and with references that I do not know : Oops: .
In the meantime, I bought the e-bike review which lists all the vae sold in Belgium - with price, power, engine, all that, all that, and some articles on the types of motorization, batteries, ... and on 34 bikes tested by the editorial staff.
it allows me to know a little more what I need. I am at least convinced of wanting the engine with the pedal ... and then, full of Ah to be able to make the road. (yes I know, this is precise : Cheesy: )
I'm going to see a bicycle dealer in my corner this morning ... I hope to be able to try one or the other model and see concretely what it all looks like.
I will also see the forums mentioned by bidouille23 :-).
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by bidouille23 » 17/02/15, 12:06

Hello ,

lady Andean, your summary is just fine :D ...

* pedal motor,

* full of Ah (target Li ion rather lead;), already), and try before purchase ....

* Try the models

(request on forums if there is not by chance an owner who would let you try out his bike too .... very often there is no problem for that ...)

Bafang bbs2 is a model which is a priori appreciated and inexpensive.

Good find to you Andean lady and come back to present us your mount please :) ...

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by Woodcutter » 17/02/15, 13:35

Lady Andine wrote:[...]
I'm going to see a bicycle dealer in my corner this morning ... I hope I can try one or the other model and see concretely what it all looks like. [...]
If you go to see your bicycle dealer, is it that you are moving towards "commercial" VAEs? (i.e. sold fully assembled?)
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by bidouille23 » 17/02/15, 14:09

Just note ...

I imagined a bicycle dealer selling or mounting kits ...

The help of a good specialist, if he is honest and serious has no value, especially if he is not far from your home ...

to clear the beginnings and understand the base gently, it's still the simple way. even if probably a little more flesh, this price must be compensated by the service and the knowledge of the sellers ... amha

But this while keeping in mind that to keep a form of freedom it is undoubtedly better, to learn as you go along in order to get by yourself ...

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by Woodcutter » 17/02/15, 16:43

bidouille23 wrote:Just note ...

I imagined a bicycle dealer selling or mounting kits ...
I have the impression that, for the moment, we have on one side bicycle operators who sell the product "from the catalog" and on the other, VAE specialists (in kit or not) who can provide equipment. alone or from assembly to the card.

bidouille23 wrote:The help of a good specialist, if he is honest and serious has no value, especially if he is not far from your home ...
Totally agree ! My experience in the field of VAE makes me think exactly the same ... 8)
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by bidouille23 » 17/02/15, 17:12

lumberjack:

I have the impression that, for the moment, we have on one side bicycle operators who sell the product "from the catalog" and on the other, VAE specialists (in kit or not) who can provide equipment. alone or from assembly to the card.



I also think, I correct my words by: go see a VAE specialist Andean lady ... lumberjack the difference is significant and to emphasize ... asked a decathlon a hub motor with freewheel to laugh ... :)

Totally agree ! My experience in the field of VAE makes me think exactly the same thing ... Cool


My experience of shedding you as you can in all possible circles, make me say the same thing :D ... the journey is very enriching (the understanding process is very important) but sometimes help is welcome for an easier and more complete understanding often ... and a reliable and fast result ...

Especially in the electronics world ...
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by Dame Andean » 17/02/15, 20:42

Uh, I must admit that I am a little lost in the distinction "bicycle operator" and "specialist in the VAE" : Oops:.
I did not plan to go see Decathlon : Cheesy:.
The bicycle shops in my corner sell bicycles "from the catalog". but they also make repairs ...
How do you distinguish between sellers who only know how to sell and specialists?
I went to this one this morning: http://www.espacebike.be/
Friday I will spend with this one: http://www.infobike.org/
There is one more easily accessible but which does not have a site (it sells "specialized" and "lapierre").
What bothers me a bit is that everyone only sells a few brands.
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by Dame Andean » 21/02/15, 16:59

Here is for the little news ...
Well, in any case, I saw the difference between the 1st and the 2nd bike ... The first gave me catalogs, and indicated the possible choices with the posture type Dutch bike.
The 2nd rents vae (it deducts the rental when there is purchase), will adapt if necessary to have the handlebars as I like, can order other brands, spent time showing me those he had on place ... in short, I at least chose the bike dealer : Cheesy: .
I left with a vae for rent - there were 2 available that I could try first.
- a scott, 'sporty', bosh engine, pedal, derailleur: I loved the type of assistance, but I do not know how to adapt to this posture - I already have back pain after 1km : Cheesy: -, I'm not used to the derailleur but I think I would adapt if necessary (a friend made me a significant argument: + easy to repair a puncture).
- a granville, Dutch bike type, engine at the front, nexus. This is the one I rented, because I know how to stay on position : Cheesy:. Nexus, I'm on familiar ground, I like :-). But for the engine, I preferred the other ...
The biker insisted on the choice of engine, for the use I want to make of it, advocating bosh or shimano (which he describes as a copy of bosh). He is ready to adapt the handlebars, depending on the bike chosen, so that I am straight and comfortable.
Regarding my experience of rental granville (here it is: http://granvillebikes.com/e-trend.html#wmn), I really like riding a VAE, I came back yesterday (14km) - in the rain continuously, so I was delighted that it did not drag! - then today around forty km. There are 6 levels - I stayed mostly on level 2. Its autonomy is not great, but I was warned.
There are granville with shimano motor pedal, it tempts me well. But I still cogitate : Wink: .
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by Grelinette » 28/02/15, 16:59

For all intents and purposes, here is a link to a page of more than 60 Questions / Answers on the VAE and VAE KITS, which I found interesting. (The specialists may come to comment on it).

It's here : FAQ

NB: I know this company but my goal is not to advertise. The moderator can delete my comment.
I did not copy and paste questions / answers from the site because this page represents an interesting summary work which justifies mentioning the company that makes it available.
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