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by dedeleco » 17/10/12, 15:37

Obamot wrote:A theory is no longer just a hypothesis.

There is no difference, for a theory without proofs, without any possibility of reproducible experiments allowing to prove, except a work with more blackened paper !!
A theory which forgets the source of energy of the lightning ball, to maintain it sometimes 30 seconds, is identical to the theory of Vialle and others !!!!
There is no explanation, and in my opinion, this is a phenomenon that reveals a whole unknown area of ​​physics to discover, like a particle of dark matter without interaction with our matter, except in enormous electric voltages and currents, with the great rarity of this particle, which makes experiments impossible, to reproduce !!!!

This particle, ultra rare, then revealed, ionizes the air or the matter around, in a ball plasma of the radius of the free path of the ionizing radiation emitted which reveals it, plasma which moves like the particle, which interacts very little with our matter , a few tens of seconds, before disappearing, passing through our walls of walls and planes, experimental fact observed a large number of times.
I am only describing the testimonies, putting a guideline.
The other theories, based on what we know, derail, especially on the necessary energy, provided by this particle (dark matter?) Without interaction with us, (like neutrinos, but different) which then gives its energy incomprehensible origin, otherwise.
This is a hypothesis seeking to be consistent with all the observed facts of ball lightning, in total contradiction with what is known and understood, plasma of incomprehensible energy, aberrant movements, and extreme rarity, therefore impossible to study in experiences.


Dedeleco doesn't fall in love with this link : Lol:

Yet they do not promise the Moon! And there is no complete theory, yet. No broken promise! Just the description of the observation of the birth of the process:

the birth of the process with well-known physics, should be easily reproducible, observed as at CERN, or at EDF in the numerous labs with large discharges and large energies (millions of volts), which is not the case, because they never see lightning in a ball.
So to provide this long-term plasma energy, we need something else, which escapes us because it is very rare.

"The present paper reports detailed observations of the initiation or birth of ball lightning"

I really don't see where the problem is. On the contrary, where the sellers of miracles eventually raged, we see there the embryo of something in great detail by real scientists. (Research School of Physics and Engineering, Australian National University, Canberra, ACT, - Materials Science and Engineering, CSIRO, Sydney, New South Wales - Australia.


Real scientists can totally get confused, like gurus, especially when they don't study where this long-lasting plasma energy comes from, the only problem with ball lightning.

The theories of combustion of something, silicon, metal, etc are more coherent, except that the silica of the earth is oxidized silicon which cannot burn like metallic silicon in the chips of our computers !!

What matters is experience and its verification by all of us, as we do with the Maxwell's theory and others before him, real, that we constantly check, with fluorescent lamps, TV, GPS, phones, and CERN, under Obamot's feet !!!
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by Obamot » 17/10/12, 16:42

dedeleco wrote:
Obamot wrote:A theory is no longer just a hypothesis.

There is no difference, for a theory without proofs, without any possibility of reproducible experiments allowing to prove,

1) Dedeleco knows absolutely nothing, he was not in Australia to see, whether they reproduced their observations or not! : Mrgreen:
2) At least we can say that this is false, since the phenomenon has been repeated many times, he himself postponed the experience with his mother-in-law!
So it's good that it's reproducible! The presence of numerous testimonies confirms this. It's just not yet reproducible as humans would like it to be!
3) Thus HIS guiding thread, is the only one that would prevail : Cheesy:

Dedeleco still does not admit that there are still phenomena that elude it : Cheesy:

And even to scientists ...

And when these seek to apprehend them, he rejects everything as a whole.

His last post, filled with ambiguities clearly demonstrates this. As long as he himself has not understood, grasped the phenomenon: he does not exist in his eyes (even if others have succeeded ...) He is like that : Mrgreen:

Whether founded or not: as with vaccines, psychology, early prevention, placébos / nocébos, even possibly founded as with Naudin, Rossi and cold fusion, as much as the areas he does not master: like harmonics or sound correction and the law of mass! And the storage of heat in soils, which it misses out on logic and then gets the wrong area of ​​application, etc.

In short, he wants to give lessons, but often misses the most basic things ...

Besides, for him, if there are:

dedeleco wrote:real scientists

It suggests there must be fakes (?) : Mrgreen:

Whereas for scientists, the "real" can only be qualified as such, because otherwise, if they were "false", they simply could not: .... be scientific ...! Image

And that’s the kind of thing that’s screwing up your nerves in DD : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:
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by dedeleco » 17/10/12, 16:49

Obamot has his nerves in a ball !!!!

And Obamot mixes everything, calves, cows, pigs, ants, microbes, etc ..., as usual.

Obamot did not read the beautiful armada of ball lightning theories, he would be less enthusiastic towards this theory, in fact one more, without any proof, nor read the history of Science, past, very long experimental path towards proven knowledge, starting from incomprehensible facts !!!

Making theories in a vacuum is easy, like gurus, but it is much more difficult to make theories that correspond to reality, experimental without errors (see Vialle and Naudin) and they require very great efforts, than Obamot does never did !!!

I already understood with the good theory of incomprehensible facts for an entire lab, after a very big effort to analyze the real facts, instead of getting lost in the wrong direction, and I even saw the director of the lab try to get over the idea, very excited, once he understood that it was the right real solution.

What this article offers has already been done, just at EDF with huge electric shocks, on windows, houses and other objects, to develop lightning rods.

The problem of ball lightning is not theory, but to make it reproducible, with each experiment by finding the right conditions, almost impossible, for all the good scientists and technicians of our planet !!

So there are rare factors that escape us, and given the very aberrant plasma, an unknown particle very rare, like dark matter, without interaction with our matter and our world, except on very rare occasions, is an explanation logic possible !!

This is the scientific method which analyzes the real facts and deduces a probable direction of research.
It remains to find the detector of this particle, better than lightning.
Looking at the neutrino detectors is not easy !!
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by Obamot » 17/10/12, 17:00

I only note that for Dedeleco, there would be "faux»Scientists : Cheesy: : Mrgreen:

Hilarious, isn't it?

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"Dede the chestnut" may be from a brood of twins!
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by dedeleco » 17/10/12, 17:18

An experience that nobody does anymore !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wilhelm_Richmann
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wilhelm_Richmann

My mother-in-law saw the fireball pass, in front of her at 60cm, on her sink, as big as a shiny tennis ball, pass through a partition leaving a very round hole in the plaster, to grill the radio at lamps behind, then leave by the stove leaving a round hole in the mica of the stove window !! (impossible to do without breaking the mica)

As there was no very loud noise, she did not get a phobia !!

When in Australia they reproduce this, we will talk about it !!

Read the varied facts and ideas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foudre_en_boule

.The chemical theory does not however explain the enormous amount of electrical energy contained, capable of toasting electrical devices, nor the crackling perceived by witnesses.


And stop this allergy to wikipedia, which only summarizes thousands of knowledge by millions of men, saving you from buying thousands of books.

Nice photo of chestnuts to eat !!
I eat my free chestnuts !!
Triplets, but twins who stifled the third, fight for life and natural selection. !!
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by Obamot » 17/10/12, 17:26

dedeleco, called "Dede the chestnut" wrote:Obamot has his nerves in a ball !!!!


We would however sworn that it was those of Dede who were in a ball! : Cheesy: : Mrgreen:
Unless lightning strikes his "chestnut" in Australia ...? : Lol:

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There is no need to be nor "enthusiastic" ni "pessimistic", physics is the way it is, period! : Mrgreen:
And ... I don't take a stand :P Certainly, there are some who are hard ... chestnut.
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by dedeleco » 17/10/12, 18:06

Obamot says:
And ... I don't take a stand


This is a statement on the value of the article:
Obamot wrote:
A theory is no longer just a hypothesis.


And Obamot has a harder head than a chestnut!

Carefully read the mysteries:
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... turner.pdf


http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/sujets/Ball_lightning
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by Obamot » 17/10/12, 19:49

Dedeleco thoroughly in paralogism, syllogism or sophism (it depends!) : Cheesy:

What is it called already, those who mix the "reality"with their"imaginary world"?

Dedeleco assumes that when someone says:
- "It's not to" ceci,
- "It's not "to" do so,

... that it would in fact be the affirmation to the contrary? : Shock: There's some in there!

This guy is really to a... : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:

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by moinsdewatt » 17/10/12, 20:27

The Eiffel Tower connected to natural electricity. :P

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DAMN IT ! This photo is a photographer's dream. Almost impossible to grasp - the last of its kind, in black and white, dates back to 1902 -, it is especially superb: the tower was then coated with an ideal electric blue, the stormy sky was not even milky, and the lightning avoided the arrow to cross the whole structure before hitting it in the heart. It was a huge stroke of luck, and an amateur photographer got it. His photo will therefore surely go around the world, propagating the reputation of "giant lightning rod of Paris" that the Eiffel Tower already had. When in fact, this monument only protects against lightning within a radius equal to its height, or 324 meters. PHOTO: KULIK / CATERS NEWS AGENCY / SIPA

24 h photo Le Figaro (Sept 2011)
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