Eco-anxiety: the great discomfort of ecological youth

[eclectron]

indeed I do not understand the difference between decreasing in a growing context

Greece, Venezuela indeed. They decrease but continue to play with the rules of croissantism, so they lose, they suffer.

it remains just as hermetic, what don't you mean "to decrease without playing with the rules of croissantism"? do you have any examples of a recession that made people happy?
It is also noteworthy that these countries have had governments that have trumpeted wanting to free themselves from international rules ...

All the countries of the world are in the globalized economy, in capitalism, in free trade, blah, to varying degrees. In short, they are in the current system.

In the current system , a country that no longer believes, does not stagnate, it is impoverished, since the system is dynamic, it is growing, it is necessary to grow just to survive.
to stagnate is impossible, except to infuse monetarily.
In the current system (growthist, globalized capitalist, free trader, blah) decrease is always sudden and painful because it gives rise to crises of all kinds.

Good, but personally I am not claiming the decrease in the current system, nor the decrease itself, but sustainability ... in a system other than the current one, in a sustainable system.

[Ahmed]

Eclectron, you write:

it is first the desire for money, then the energy that allows it to materialize because there is some.
Not the opposite.

Money and energy are equivalent, they are two forms of the same thing. Money as a social representation speaks directly to us, but it is only an interface that conceals the energy which is general determinism.

Countries in crisis, like Venezuela, do not practice degrowth, but are dequalified in international competition: they are only losers. This country is reduced to selling its raw material that only other countries can use with the required level of productivity.

[ABC2019]

In the current system , a country that no longer believes, does not stagnate.

ah well, is when it stagnates then if not when it stops growing?

still so obscure ....

[eclectron]

In the current system , a country that no longer believes, does not stagnate.

ah well, is when it stagnates then if not when it stops growing?

still so obscure ....

Ah again the truncation which loses the initial meaning ....

Stagnating, in the current system, is the crisis ...
Just by the fact that without growth, the money in circulation and in your savings account would disappear, there would ultimately be a shortage of money.
or companies that have less need for the services of other companies, less need for employees, everything is falling apart exponentially
You should never forget that in the current system, you are either profitable (at least believe a little to pay off the loan, this or that)) or you are dead.
if nothing grows, we can no longer repay current loans, except to empty the money supply which is bundle to exchange afterwards.
In short, it would very quickly be a major crisis.

[Obamot]

The fascinating thing is how can someone hope to find virtuous solutions to the world's problems - dreaming of changing paradigms - when they are not already virtuous enough with themselves. He will simply not see the problems having self-biased his own vision with his beliefs, such a person will spend years there without achieving anything except small adaptations ... Because you must not believe that the The application of the principle of reflections on fictitious values ​​would only concern the markets, it starts with the own minds that govern these markets (and of course the minds that dig into finding solutions here and now) and that can be very limiting ( or not, depending on the degree of consciousness?).

PS: this is valid for everything eh, from the health sector to the politico-economic sector, passing through the perception filter specific to reading the media, to the spiritual approach, psy, ecological, all that we wants!

[ABC2019]

In the current system , a country that no longer believes, does not stagnate.

ah well, is when it stagnates then if not when it stops growing?

still so obscure ....

Ah again the truncation which loses the initial meaning ....

Stagnating, in the current system, is the crisis ...
Just by the fact that without growth, the money in circulation and in your savings account would disappear, there would ultimately be a shortage of money.

??
why do you want the money to disappear? it suffices to recreate them, for example by credit or printing money, and it is possible even without growth!

[Ahmed]

Eclectron: what you say about the monetary system is very approximate, but basically you are right. There is a need for global growth, even if the foundations of this growth are gradually being undermined. Resorting to the financial industry and debt that will never be repaid makes it possible to simulate this type of operation and to keep the system afloat, at least in the countries which have not definitively sank ...

[Obamot]

[edit]: “Spirits that are hollowing outnt to find solutions here and now ”

[Ahmed]

... it is not rather the markets which rule the spirits?

[eclectron]

ah well, is when it stagnates then if not when it stops growing?

still so obscure ....

Ah again the truncation which loses the initial meaning ....

Stagnating, in the current system, is the crisis ...
Just by the fact that without growth, the money in circulation and in your savings account would disappear, there would ultimately be a shortage of money.

??
why do you want the money to disappear? it suffices to recreate them, for example by credit or printing money, and it is possible even without growth!

Yes, I already said it above.