France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.

[Janic]

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why put vaccines back on the carpet, here we talk about glyphosate,

It is only a parallel between two or more, politico-financial situation from where my expression "it is the same thing as ..."

"
if vaccines were a "real" scandal and their total ineffectiveness proved, that would be known,

It will be known! if I had to have won one euro each time it said, I would be almost rich.
Put the question first: who will say it? Not the vaccine producers! Not the medical profession, much of whose income depends on it! Not the universities that are sponsored by these labs and even less the medical journals that are only advertising-marketing. What is left then? Some honest doctors, with themselves, in front of their customers and who notice the relationships of causes and effects. But, except for the internet now, they were kept offline. So it did not know!
It is therefore to show great naivety. Scientists of all levels and medical specialties demonstrate it BY OFFICIAL STATISTICAL FIGURES from all countries of the same level of "modern" society.


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why do we currently say that we could eradicate uterine cancer if the vaccination of young girls was more systematic and this is not a French speech
. It is the "on" in question that poses the question: Who says that such and such a product (not especially the vaccine product) would allow such and such advancement in society that it is from the simplest line to cut butter, until the most sophisticated of rockets? Its manufacturer only as judge and party of its product.
So for cancer of the uterus consult the literature that appears on the subject or videos that take stock of it and that I already indicated. For example those of the surgeon oncologist and his wife oncologist in pediatrics Delépine, among other oncologists French.
No virus has ever produced cancer in more than half a century despite the billions invested in research. Find a single official document that PROVES IT! So there is confusion between the existence of the virus and the parallel development of cancer.
https://vaccination-info-service.fr/Les ... umans-HPV
Human papillomavirus (HPV) infections are very common and are transmitted during sexual contact. About 8 women on 10 are exposed to these viruses during their lifetime. In 60% of cases, infection occurs at the beginning of sex life.

HPV infections are most often without any symptoms. In most cases, the virus is eliminated naturally within one to two years, and the infection has no health consequences. In some cases, warts (genital warts) can appear. Persistent HPV infection is rare (less than 10% of cases), but it can cause lesions in the cervix in women: this is called "precancerous" lesion. For some HPVs, called high-risk HPVs, these lesions can progress to cancer in ten to twenty years.
We do not have enough perspective to affirm figures like these (all this explained by the oncologist quoted) since the vaccine is on the market only since 2006. So it is only a supposition.
So a little calculation: 10% of 60% is 6% of 100% of young girls having sex. Of these 6%, some CAN change, some how much? and not progress to cancer but can only. Clearly vaccinating all the girl children and also in the boys project to avoid (5/10/20%? Of the 6% in question) it is pure madness in addition to unconsciousness especially compared to young girls who have become sterile or in a wheelchair after vaccination.
Japan, after these accidents and the little protection supposedly brought, has stopped its vaccination campaigns against HPV. You must learn more seriously;
Gardasil (Merck & Co., 2006) is a vaccine against human papillomavirus (HPV) genotypes 6, 11, 16 and 18.
Regarding the effects of HPV, variants 16 and 18 may be partly responsible for certain cervical cancers in women and genotypes 6 and 11 most often cause genital warts when the latter produce pathology. Vaccination would also prevent certain vulvovaginal cancers1 and of the anal margin. So hypotheses and assumptions!
Japan: Victims of HPV Vaccines Advocate for Victims
initiativecitoyenne.be /.../ japan-the-law-of-victims-of-hpv vaccine-ask-a ...
22 Sep. 2018 - Japanese Lawyers For Victims Of HPV Vaccines Call For Government Prohibition By Brian Shilhavy, Health Impact News ...
Japan: research links HPV vaccine to cancer
initiativecitoyenne.be /.../ japan-a-research-establishes-a-link-between-the-vaccine hpv-and it ...
22 Sep. 2017 - Research in Japan Links HPV Vaccine to Brain Damage Health Impact News Commentary Japan is ...
Japan: Ministry withdraws recommendation for vaccines ...
https://www.alterinfo.net/Japon-le-Mini ... eur-des -...
3 days ago - The Japanese Ministry of Health withdraws its recommendations in favor ... its recommendation in favor of the HPV Gardasil & Cervarix vaccines.
Last minute: Japan & the HPV vaccine - alter info
https://www.alterinfo.net/Derniere-minu ... 94140.html
4 days ago - SaneVax: Japanese citizens suffering from seizures, epilepsy, severe headaches, partial paralysis and many more ...
etc ...
Re: Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate
janic wrote:

"
why put vaccines back on the carpet, here we talk about glyphosate,

It is only a parallel between two or more, politico-financial situation from where my expression "it is the same thing as ..."

"
if vaccines were a "real" scandal and their total ineffectiveness proved, that would be known,

It will be known! if I had to have won one euro each time it said, I would be almost rich.
Put the question first: who will say it? Not the vaccine producers! Not the medical profession, much of whose income depends on it! Not the universities that are sponsored by these labs and even less the medical journals that are only advertising-marketing. What is left then? Some honest doctors, with themselves, in front of their customers and who notice the relationships of causes and effects. But, except for the internet now, they were kept offline. So it did not know!
It is therefore to show great naivety. Scientists of all levels and medical specialties demonstrate it BY OFFICIAL STATISTICAL FIGURES from all countries of the same level of "modern" society.


"
why do we currently say that we could eradicate uterine cancer if the vaccination of young girls was more systematic and this is not a French speech
. It is the "on" in question that poses the question: Who says that such and such a product (not especially the vaccine product) would allow such and such advancement in society that it is from the simplest line to cut butter, until the most sophisticated of rockets? Its manufacturer only as judge and party of its product.
So for cancer of the uterus consult the literature that appears on the subject or videos that take stock of it and that I already indicated. For example those of the surgeon oncologist and his wife oncologist in pediatrics Delépine, among other oncologists French.
No virus has ever produced cancer in more than half a century despite the billions invested in research. Find a single official document that PROVES IT! So there is confusion between the existence of the virus and the parallel development of cancer.
https://vaccination-info-service.fr/Les ... umans-HPV
Human papillomavirus (HPV) infections are very common and are transmitted during sexual contact. About 8 women on 10 are exposed to these viruses during their lifetime. In 60% of cases, infection occurs at the beginning of sex life.

HPV infections are most often without any symptoms. In most cases, the virus is eliminated naturally within one to two years, and the infection has no health consequences. In some cases, warts (genital warts) can appear. Persistent HPV infection is rare (less than 10% of cases), but it can cause lesions in the cervix in women: this is called "precancerous" lesion. For some HPVs, called high-risk HPVs, these lesions can progress to cancer in ten to twenty years.
We do not have enough perspective to affirm figures like these (all this explained by the oncologist quoted) since the vaccine is on the market only since 2006. So it is only a supposition.
So a little calculation: 10% of 60% is 6% of 100% of young girls having sex. Of these 6%, some CAN change, some how much? and not progress to cancer but can only. Clearly vaccinating all the girl children and also in the boys project to avoid (5/10/20%? Of the 6% in question) it is pure madness in addition to unconsciousness especially compared to young girls who have become sterile or in a wheelchair after vaccination.
Japan, after these accidents and the little protection supposedly brought, has stopped its vaccination campaigns against HPV. You must learn more seriously;
Gardasil (Merck & Co., 2006) is a vaccine against human papillomavirus (HPV) genotypes 6, 11, 16 and 18.
Regarding the effects of HPV, variants 16 and 18 may be partly responsible for certain cervical cancers in women and genotypes 6 and 11 most often cause genital warts when the latter produce pathology. Vaccination would also prevent certain vulvovaginal cancers1 and of the anal margin. So hypotheses and assumptions!
Japan: Victims of HPV Vaccines Advocate for Victims
initiativecitoyenne.be /.../ japan-the-law-of-victims-of-hpv vaccine-ask-a ...
22 Sep. 2018 - Japanese Lawyers For Victims Of HPV Vaccines Call For Government Prohibition By Brian Shilhavy, Health Impact News ...
Japan: research links HPV vaccine to cancer
initiativecitoyenne.be /.../ japan-a-research-establishes-a-link-between-the-vaccine hpv-and it ...
22 Sep. 2017 - Research in Japan Links HPV Vaccine to Brain Damage Health Impact News Commentary Japan is ...
Japan: Ministry withdraws recommendation for vaccines ...
https://www.alterinfo.net/Japon-le-Mini ... eur-des -...
3 days ago - The Japanese Ministry of Health withdraws its recommendations in favor ... its recommendation in favor of the HPV Gardasil & Cervarix vaccines.
Last minute: Japan & the HPV vaccine - alter info
https://www.alterinfo.net/Derniere-minu ... 94140.html
4 days ago - SaneVax: Japanese citizens suffering from seizures, epilepsy, severe headaches, partial paralysis and many more ...
etc ...
it is easy to speak in statistics, 2% or even 10 times less in stat is negligible, when you are concerned it is 100% and we are no longer in the stat, so say that in 98% of cases it's useless it's easy when you're part of 98%, for cons for 2% remaining is something else

the day you will be on the wrong side of the stat you may change your mind, there you speak without knowing, you can not really understand, you can just imagine

Re: Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate
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Messageby Moindreffor »24 / 02 / 19, 00: 12

It has been five years since 2014 that no measles case was detected in Costa Rica, a small country in Central America. But it was not counting on this couple of French tourists, traveling with their five-year-old child, who was carrying the viral infection, reports the daily La Nación.
As reported this Thursday by the Costa Rican Ministry of Health, all three have undergone a battery of tests that have formally confirmed the presence of the virus. In addition, it was added that the boy and his mother were not vaccinated against measles. The father, for his part, was not up to date in his reminders.
“In addition, according to a testimony from parents, several of the son's school friends had measles before his departure,” said the ministry.
"Protect public health"
At present, the French family has been placed in solitary confinement at Monseñor Sanabria hospital in the city of Puntarenas. They are expected to stay there a further seven days in order to "protect public health."
Meanwhile, teams from the Ministry of Health have been dispatched to the places the family has visited since arriving. For example, at a hotel in Puntarenas, 26 staff and visitors were vaccinated against the virus.
This news is expected to accelerate the large measles immunization campaign implemented in Costa Rica for several months now. To date, 670.000 children aged fifteen months to ten years have been protected.

ALSO ON MSN: Measles epidemic in Val Thorens: "The only preventive treatment is vaccination"
so just to give the context: to follow

[Janic]

it is easy to speak in statistics, 2% or even 10 times less in stat is negligible, when you are concerned it is 100% and we are no longer in the stat, so say that in 98% of cases it's useless it's easy when you're part of 98%, for cons for 2% remaining is something else

It is not I who speak in terms of statistics, but the government who claims that if the population is 95% vaccinated, the disease (any of the others since it is global) would remove all probability of epidemic.
Already it is completely null as reasoning, since his speech concerns ONLY the vaccination of children, the reminders of adults are disparate and apart from tetanus (which does not protect besides):
either believe themselves to be protected for life as for "wild" disease,
either neglect or are afraid of the bites and side effects on them! Clearly the population is very little vaccinated and there is no epidemic except vaccine.

the day you will be on the wrong side of the stat you may change your mind, there you speak without knowing, you can not really understand, you can just imagine

Ah, the drama for two cents! Seriously consult and analyze government sites, rather than repeating, without checks, the usual presuppositions!
It is the state that is on the wrong side by refusing to see the reality of SES own statistics, so as not to disturb the populations and possibly the business that this induces and the cramming that you reproduce here. Inform yourself first, do not take refuge in a panic fear of viruses, microbes of all kinds. The mortality curves, since 1850, show a constant drop in mortality of 99% WITHOUT VACCINES and the curve continues in the same way. So with or without, it's the same thing.


It has been five years since 2014 that no measles case was detected in Costa Rica, a small country in Central America. But it was not counting on this couple of French tourists, traveling with their five-year-old child, who was carrying the viral infection, reports the daily La Nación.
As reported this Thursday by the Costa Rican Ministry of Health, all three have undergone a battery of tests that have formally confirmed the presence of the virus. In addition, it was added that the boy and his mother were not vaccinated against measles. The father, for his part, was not up to date in his reminders.
“In addition, according to a testimony from parents, several of the son's school friends had measles before his departure,” said the ministry.
"Protect public health"
At present, the French family has been placed in solitary confinement at Monseñor Sanabria hospital in the city of Puntarenas. They should stay there another seven days in order to "protect public health."
Meanwhile, teams from the Ministry of Health have been dispatched to the places the family has visited since arriving. For example, at a hotel in Puntarenas, 26 staff and visitors were vaccinated against the virus.
This news should accelerate the major measles vaccination campaign that has been taking place in Costa Rica for several months now. To date, 670.000 children aged fifteen months to ten years have been protected. "

Ah, newspapers are strong in misinformation., But some have the honesty not to say " they have " But " they would have ". All the medical literature, before the invention of the miracle vaccine, considered this disease as benign and even still except a few cases obviously as everywhere.
But everything is better explained by this passage:
"This news should accelerate the major measles vaccination campaign that has been taking place in Costa Rica for several months now. To date, 670.000 children aged fifteen months to ten years have been protected. "
On the one hand vaccinated is not synonymous with protected and strangely they would vaccinate against a disease that has disappeared and when it is scientifically demonstrated that vaccinated can be contaminants, we fall into an absurdity, a total misinformation. In France, while there is a significant mortality from tuberculosis, it is no longer compulsory to vaccinate since it has been removed from the obligations: why the Minister: on the one hand does not reinstate her in infantile obligations and especially why these Are not compulsory vaccines for children compulsory for adults ALSO?

ALSO ON MSN: Measles epidemic in Val Thorens: "The only preventive treatment is vaccination"

This is not information but advertising because to assert such a thing, you have to prove it first and for that they did not leave the hostel.
For example:
France returns to the right path, according to Buzyn
Questioned on France Info this August 21, the Minister of Health Agnès Buzyn defended the vaccination obligation, faced with the skepticism of the French with regard to vaccination. "Europe is the poor relation of vaccination (...) and suffers from a measles epidemic which is very difficult to control since we and our children are not vaccinated. I made vaccines mandatory to avoid the more than 2000 cases of measles et the three deaths of young people. All children born from January 1, 2018 must be vaccinated to return to nursery or school. France is returning to the right path, the path of reason, "reacted the minister.

Except that in France, there was which three DEADLY cases of measles in 2018, one unvaccinated and two vaccinated, which statistically means that 66% of the dead were vaccinated against only 33% of those who were not. So the vaccine does not protect!
How did she not know that two of them were properly vaccinated? and therefore that there was, in France,

only one death from unvaccinated measles

and she gives us a whole slice of it as if it were a new epidemic like smallpox. A little serious! How about his conflicts of interest with the pharmaceutical industry?

[izentrop]

My pov Janic, chickens will have teeth, the day you understand the usefulness of vaccines

[Janic]

my pov "Izentrop you wouldn't even understand if the hens had teeth.

Unlike your superstitions with BD, these figures and curves are OFFICIAL!
but you are scared to consult them because it would put all the ground down your beliefs in your friends from AFIS, great decision maker of what a pseudo science is, but what questions their own dogmas.

[pedrodelavega]

No, the measles vaccine does not "cause" autism

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/soign ... 97387.html

A false study behind the rumor
But where does this widely held idea that the MMR vaccine causes autism come from? A fraudulent scientific study is at the origin of this myth: published in 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet, it was withdrawn from publication in 2010 and its main author, the gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield, has since been removed from the British Medical Association. In this study, Dr. Wakefield establishes a causal link between the administration of the MMR vaccine and the development of developmental disorders in children.

Problems: the doctor is subject to undeclared conflicts of interest with anti-vaccine lobbyists, only worked on a sample of people very reduced (12 children only) and does not bring no valid proof causation between vaccine and autism.

[Janic]

Message not lupar pedrodelavega »24/02/19, 13:48 PM
No, the measles vaccine does not "cause" autism
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/soign ... 97387.html
Ouarfff! Your hello doctors and his fellows should follow the news.
2 courts, one American, another English, each delivered the same judgment according to which the arguments invoked by the order of English doctors were false and that the journalist Deer was a liar. Innocent therefore, 2 times in a row Wakefield and Schmit were declared innocent of the defamations made against them.
Do the same, keep up to date with legal news. But is it not rather that you play the role of defamator and propagator of fake news in the conscious or not service of BP.

Vaccinations and health ... for or against? - Page 53
https://www.econologie.com/.../vaccinat ... re-t11411- 520.html
Feb 7 2017 ... First of all, the publication was signed by 12 other specialists from the Royal Free Hospital, and not by Wakefield alone, which amounts to pretending ...

https://www.econologie.com/.../levothyr ... 15657.html
May 12, 2018 ... (like the Wakefield case and fortunately the courts have finally ruled in his favor.) http://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actual ...othyroxine

[pedrodelavega]

(Your links are not working!)

2 courts, one American, another English, each delivered the same judgment according to which the arguments invoked by the order of English doctors were false and that the journalist Deer was a liar. Innocent therefore, 2 times in a row Wakefield and Schmit were declared innocent of the defamations made against them.

Source?
No, US Courts Have Not "Confirmed" Measles Vaccine "Causes Autism"
https://factuel.afp.com/non-des-tribuna ... e-lautisme

Vaccinations and health ... for or against? - Page 53
https://www.econologie.com/.../vaccinat ... re-t11411- 520.html
Feb 7 2017 ... First of all, the publication was signed by 12 other specialists from the Royal Free Hospital, and not by Wakefield alone, which amounts to pretending ...

10 of these 12 "specialists" recanted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wa ... ontroversy

https://www.econologie.com/.../levothyrox-et-ses-victimes-t15657.html
May 12, 2018 ... (like the Wakefield case and fortunately the courts have finally ruled in his favor.) http://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actual ...othyroxine

Do you cite yourself as a source of information?

When you read the French or English Wakefield Wikipedia page, it's very clear and sourced:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... 5016483-68
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

EXCERPTS:
"financial conflicts of interest not disclosed by Wakefield"

"On January 28, 2010, a five-member GMC tribunal proved the veracity of more than thirty of the charges against Wakefield, including four charges for 'dishonesty', and twelve for abuse against children with developmental disabilities."

"Very close to ultra-conservative American circles, in 2017 he participated in President Donald Trump's inaugural ball"

etc ...

[izentrop]

Bravo Pedro, as always, the evidence is irrefutable but you are wasting your time, arguing with a believer that always right is useless.

[Janic]

Janic wrote: 2 courts, one American, another English, each rendered the same judgment according to which the arguments invoked by the English doctors' order were false and that the journalist Deer was a liar. Innocentant then, 2 once again Wakefield and Schmit were declared innocent of the defamations made against them.

Source?

widely indicated in my various interventions; Just read them! and with a little effort you will eventually find them.

No, US Courts Have Not "Confirmed" Measles Vaccine "Causes Autism"

https://factuel.afp.com/non-des-tribuna ... e-autism
The role of the courts is not to decide a scientific question, but social and therefore only legal. These courts have dismissed the charges against Wakefield and Walter Schmit. And therefore the slanderous accusations brought against them
janic wrote: Vaccinations and health ... for or against? - Page 53
https://www.econologie.com/.../vaccinat ... re-t11411-520.html

Feb 7 2017 ... First of all, the publication was signed by 12 other specialists from the Royal Free Hospital, and not by Wakefield alone, which amounts to pretending ...
10 of these 12 "specialists" recanted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wa ...ontroversy
That's right ! Except that these 10 were not the leaders of the group but only three recognized specialists who all three maintained their statements and were rehabilitated without changing a line to their statements. The other 10 were subject to customary pressure in these cases not to have their careers terminated for complicity. But the medical order was dismissed and was forced to reinstate Professor Schmitt.
Wikipedia is not a legal reference, it is only the judgments of the courts that are authentic and law
janic wrote: https: //www.econologie.com/.../levothyrox-et-ses-victimes-t15657.html
May 12, 2018 ... (as the Wakefield case and luckily that the courts have finally proven him right.) http://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actual ...othyroxine

Do you cite yourself as a source of information?

I usually quote articles that are not MY words, so I don't quote ME!

When you read the French or English Wakefield Wikipedia page, it's very clear and sourced:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com ...5016483-68
I did not know that Wikipedia had more value and credit than judgments by civil or criminal courts.
It could take us far, but what can be said is that this wikipedia article is a strange mixture of true things and at least deep errors that repeat the articles of Deer
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
But if you're willing to fully decrypt this Wikipedia article, it will take time and more pages and pages to tune up.

Already, at a minimum, the court mentioned is an INTERNAL court like our order of doctors in France. Without any legal value outside its circle. It is not a civil or criminal court independent of this body, which alone therefore has the power to condemn. And there nothing!
It is these courts which, in the event of a complaint for " for abuse against children victims of developmental disorders"decide, and they alone, if these events took place. And there nothing!
However, no parent of a child filed a complaint for abuse, on the contrary, these parents supported this doctor.
In addition, W and his two colleagues were never against vaccinations, which is clear from this accusation that he had patented his own vaccine. Either it is silly to patent a vaccine when he would be opposed to it, or it is for vaccines like Professor Joyeux in France and we understand better that he is applying for a patent. [*]
Any fool would realize contradiction of this information.
Finally, since real trials took place and who legally are alone to determine the wrongs or the reasons, it is Deer and the GMC which were rejected, not the doctors charged.
So why don't you quote real official sources?

[*] interestingly, it is also the case of the American who patented the AIDS detection system which enriched it, and there nobody can fault it and when it is accused of s to be deceptively attributed the paternity of HIV, he loses in court and has to share the cake with Montagnier, the "real" discoverer of HIV!

[izentrop]

They wanted to spend a winter vacation in paradise. This was without counting the little boy's measles and the fact that no one in this French family was up to date with his vaccinations. Result: 7 days of quarantine and an entire country traumatized. https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/le ... vrier-2019

It's balot