Influence of anthroposophy today?

[izentrop]

Current of thought and spirituality created at the beginning of the XXth century by Rudolf Steiner, with the paces of a religion which takes again the precepts of the other monotheistic religions, but also, in favor of a "social tripartition" which claims the trilogy: Freedom Equality fraternity. But in reality, Anthroposophy denies the fundamental principle of the French Revolution which is respect for Man as a Subject.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophie

• A palace completed in 1998 which must have inspired the author of Batman:
  

  

  
  
  

  The Goetheanum is a building erected on the hill of Dornach, 10 km south of Basel. It is the seat of the Universal Anthroposophical Society

  Goetheanum
• At the origin of biodynamic agriculture and even organic agriculture, but nothing scientific https://books.google.fr/books?id=ZDv6aF ... ie&f=false.
• Storefront and online:
  https://www.goetheanum.org/
  http://www.anthroposophie.fr/
• Associations influenced, but to what extent today?
  

  "The Christian Community, various publishing houses, a host of associations of a medical, pharmaceutical or agricultural nature. All of them, in their own way, apply the teachings of Steiner."

  
  The NEF, Weleda, www.demeter.fr, Hummingbirds by Pierre Rabhi, the peasant confederation, ATTAC ...
• How is it funded today?

  the General Anthroposophical Society does not exercise gainful activity in the economic sense. It is recognized as a "non-taxable public utility institution" by the tax administration of the Canton of Solothurn.
  
  The General Anthroposophical Society is supported by the contributions of its 45 members (approximately). Other revenues come from various service offerings, such as scientific research missions, publications, conferences, etc., as well as its theater and eurythmy scene open to the public. The Company must also rely on private donations, or from foundations or corporate sponsorship, as well as bequests to achieve balance in its accounts and to carry out certain projects such as building renovations, new staging or research projects.

  according to goetheanum
  The antifas claim that it is much more:

  In reality, considerable sums "go back" to the parent company of Dornach. Each national representation pays him a third of his contributions. For France, this can represent up to 500 francs per year. Little compared to the copyright on the 000 works of Steiner distributed worldwide and managed by the Rudolf Steiner Verlag of the Goetheanum.
  The latter is also the majority shareholder of the Weleda group, which markets the famous "anthroposophic remedies" (including Iscador, an extract of mistletoe supposed to fight cancer). In 1997, Weleda, with 1100 employees in eighteen countries, had a turnover of 700 million francs. Weleda notably finances the "scientific work" of the Goetheanum Medical Section. In the same vein, the products of “bio-dynamic anthroposophic agriculture” (fertilizers loaded with “astral force”) are managed by the international association Demeter, administered by anthroposophists.

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• Charges of racism Racism accusations
• sectarian practices that they try to minimize because they have an interest in staying in the spotlight.

  "The 2000 report of the Interministerial Mission for the Fight against Sects presented a case study on" the anthroposophical "galaxy." 39 In it, the mission pointed to the risk of sectarian drift of many modern avatars of the anthroposophic movement (often revisited through a New Age influence40), and in particular of its educational influence via private schools without contract such as the Steiner-Waldorf schools, where the worrying observation is made that “teachers would not be recruited for their intellectual and pedagogical training, but for “their life-qualifying journey” ”."

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  "This pedagogy, intended for children aged 3 to 18, is practiced in kindergartens (around 2 worldwide) and in associative and independent Steiner-Waldorf schools (around 000 worldwide), mainly in Europe and North America, including 1 in Germany.
  In 2013, there were officially 1025 Waldorf schools worldwide, including 709 in Europe1,2.

  Pédagogie_Steiner Waldorf

It was a bit long, but the case is complex.
Without going into the philosophical aspect, has its influence diminished over time, or has it increased with social networks?

[Obamot]

Hi,

But where did you see that they would proselytize? To have influence, it would still have to be done. Except that it is against the principles of humanist currents, against their very foundation:

Anthroposophical Society does neither propaganda nor proselytism

If the "anthroposophical movements"wanted to have influence, it would be known (admitting that they exist, and before affirming it would be well worth deciphering from the inside)

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it's not the Fanc-Masons, Opus Dei or the Skulls & Bones, Scientology or whatever? (Cited purely as an example and without passing any judgment on these groups or denying them qualities that I would not know them) ...

And without wanting to get too far ahead, it won't happen or it won't be able to be called in the same way (amha).

[Ahmed]

You seem affirmative, Izentrop when you write:

But in reality, Anthroposophy denies the fundamental principle of the French Revolution which is respect for Man as a Subject.

Can you develop?

I had the opportunity to see the Goetheanum, with its architecture in a style so typically anthroposophical; I was also able to visit the laboratories Ischia who manufacture the Iscador and chat with some of their researchers. However, from these interviews which dealt only with technical aspects, I cannot infer a judgment on the extension or the reduction of the sphere of influence of anthroposophy ...

[sen-no-sen]

The influence of anthroposophy is currently anecdotal.
This one was born from a schism with theosophy by HP Blavasky whose influence was particularly strong especially in its posterior relationship with the current new age.
It is a set of beliefs born from the appearance of structural atheism in industrial societies at the end of the 19th century, a kind of new spirituality mixing science and religion ... the same thing was reproduced in the late 1970s with the new age, the hippie currents and are lot of sects of all kinds ... the class less.

[Obamot]

Of course, but to be secular is not to dedicate freedom of thought to gemonies ...!

Which I find very embarrassing (and highly unpleasant), for a thread that claims "wash whiter"is that he pleads to charge at this point on a movement above all humanist and harmless: while being very strong in the accusations and the innuendos.

Curiously it is this one that is attacked and not the dangerous sects that everyone knows!

[izentrop]

You seem affirmative, Izentrop when you write:

But in reality, Anthroposophy denies the fundamental principle of the French Revolution which is respect for Man as a Subject.

Can you develop?

It comes from antifa, it must be an exaggeration then

The influence of anthroposophy is currently anecdotal.

Waldolf schools still exist today. Is the suspicion of sectarianism and proselytism bogus? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9da ... sectarisme
In France, the one who classified it as a sect in 1999 was slapped on the fingers http://www.lexpress.fr/informations/le- ... 42713.html

Otherwise, anthroposophic medicine must no longer have many followers.
Biodynamic farming is not anecdotal, but it is a fashion that will pass http://www.charlatans.info/vin-biodynamique.php.
Moreover, studies on preparations based on maceration of plants have shown their ineffectiveness.

[Obamot]

Moreover, studies on preparations based on maceration of plants have shown their ineffectiveness.

[Obamot]

ok, well I finally understood the why of this thread which has no place in "Society and philosophy", since it ultimately does not share any aim"moving towards a balanced and ethical debate with a view to exchanging views for a better world".

[...] Otherwise, anthroposophic medicine must no longer [...]

I only had to speak once in this forum de Anthroposophical medicine (same thread as with Janic) to lay a thread on it for us, possibly with a watermark the desire that some would take the bait, is that it? (Lol).

For the record, here is the post,

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It is quite naive and completely taken out of its context or there was no question of making the apology for anything in matters of branches of medicine (quite the contrary since I was only quoting a broad panel possible and including a broad spectrum of type of practice), but noted the feats obtained in their research, by scientists from the University of HUG and CHUV on the new perception of placebos / nocebos, and to quote a firm which made open doors to go to find documentation on the subject, since made up of experts!

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and while the dogs are barking, the caravan passes !.

A scientific caravan all the same.

If you want the crème de la crème of these scientists (between Geneva HUG and Lausanne CHUV) know that a new medical center is going to open in Vevey and that it will bring together what is at the forefront of both conventional and anthroposophical medicine. , orthomolecular or homeopathic (and of course nutrition).

debunking finished I therefore invite ... not to enter this HS controversy

... and lo and behold, all this for the purported purpose of speaking philosophy-anthroposophy to us, which has nothing whatsoever to do with it, I am disappointed!
... no Izentrop, that's not it, in prevention, the ball is on the side of the patient (not the doctor) you suggest something that does not exist.
... and no, if you want to talk about medicine, you need to create a thread on anthropochemical medicine but in another section!

[izentrop]

Thanks to Ahmed and Sonosen, we can conclude thatthe influence is marginal today.

Even if they had a call to order in the early 2000s, the Waldolf schools in France, if they receive grants as "free" schools, must keep to square.

The palace was the work of an enlightened person, but today they are obliged to charge for visits to be able to maintain it.

To reassure Obamot, the NEF does have a humanist role.
When to associations "eco bobo", must see.

I did not find a signature in the "antifa" article, a reference to forget.

I only had to speak once in this forum of Anthroposophic Medicine

Is that so ! I did not see.

Moreover, studies on preparations based on maceration of plants have shown their ineffectiveness.

If you want a drawing

Plant slurries are part of the composition
certain biodynamic preparations used
to fertilize crops ...

Maceration of plants

[Janic]

Hello izentrop
As a reminder,
« The word sect first designated either a group of individuals sharing the same rule of conduct, the same philosophical, religious doctrine, etc., or a more or less large group of faithful detached from an official education and having created their own doctrine. The word sect can also designate a branch of a religion, a particular school (see also coterie, cenacle). In this sense, it has no derogatory denotation. »
Synonyms of sect
• church
• association
• bandaged
• Brig
• cabal
• Chapel
• clan
• coalition
• communion
• coterie
• faction
• group
• heresy
• left
• phalanx
• philosophy
• gathering
• religion

which corresponds to the Greek term haíresis " From the Latin haeresis ("doctrine, opinion, system"; "heresy") borrowed from the ancient Greek αἵρεσις, haíresis ("taking action, choice") »
in other words to be unethical. Does that determine an antisocial aspect or any dangerousness (except for all that is precisely conformist). So did67 is non-conformist (compared to so-called conventional agriculture) and therefore guru of a sect of gardeners "more than organic" which will perhaps generate millions of followers.
However, it is the disturbing minorities which have, over the centuries, advanced the smilblick.
Now is it better to have dynamic organic farming or chemical farming? Is it better to have an anthroposophical school education which seems to give good results or the official stuffing of skull which multiplies failures? Is it better to have a non-violent medicine or a medicine that slashes, poisons, traumatizes with the pretension of being the one and only recognizable and applicable? Is it better to have industries juggling billions or this “sect” with a few hundred millions? Everything is in the idea and especially the practice of the two available forms and evidence you have not examined anthroposophy closely.