Strange weird

[Alain G]

this is what I said to myself this system seems to be useful only in powerful rivers and again, but for the mill pumps there are those of al jazari, a model with two pistons and another with six pistons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_U-ZCOsZzM

http://muslimheritage.com/sujets/defaul ... cleID=1135

http://muslimheritage.com/sujets/defaul ... icleID=466

Hi Oli 80


On the first video he uses a useless gear because the movement can very well be taken on the first plate for less mechanical loss!

On the second one which strangely resembles the small music box with dancing ballerina, the efficiency is not very great but for the time being I admit that the system was quite simple to build!

[oli 80]

It is true that on the first system he could have put the plate which actuates the two pistons vertically directly attached to the mill like that, it would have avoided the gear and therefore the mechanical losses, as here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skuIPEeQ ... re=related and this fairly similar project

http://tof.cassin.free.fr/pompeaeau/
the other system with the camshaft which actuates the six levers of each pistons one after the other would not run the risk of "fizzling out" because the wear due to the friction of the cams on the levers

however, this kind of mechanism can be studied by high school students during TPE

[oli 80]

good evening here's the name of this weird thing a gidrotaran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzRfD9WXuc

I added a video to the very first post on this topic, at least we have a track

I have searched on google in fact it is a ram, but good sorry it is in russian and we can not translate the second link because scanned
http://rosinmn.ru/gidro/gidrotaran/gidrotaran.htm

http://rosinmn.ru/gidro/gidrotaran/taran.htm

i just typed "gidrotaran in google and all the pages are in russian

[oli 80]

good evening, let's see if tagor is interested in this subject of perpetual energy, this funny pump is slowly starting to annoy me like this overunity site which is actually a bullshit mill

like it's cool a bullshit mill, bullshit has existed since the dawn of time and will always exist, there we can talk about something perpetual but without movement

[oli 80]

good evening, here is a theory on this pump system I did a little drawing, we immerse a box with an inlet of water and air with venturi and air intake pipe which joins the surface and a pipe repression
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... iL8xnZ.pdf

the freehand drawing that I made is read explanatory, I don't know if this theory is possible

[highfly-addict]

Good evening ...

There is a concern in your diagram!
How do you intend to return the air, since its pressure is lower than that of water at the intake? ? ?

[dedeleco]

It’s safe for glou glous, the venturi drinks the cup and drowns !!
Why put the venturi inlet at the bottom of the lake?
It must be close to the surface to suck in air with the water falling in it and the air rises from the other side (by entraining the water with (bubble pump) according to the diagrams already published)!
The pressurized air will see its pressure increase until that of the water pressure at the bottom of the lake, and everything will stop because the air does not leave, its pressure will block the descent of water from the venturi.
The bubbles returning to the bubble tube ensure the ascent of the water, otherwise, without their ascent, everything hangs as explained by Archiméde, 2300 years ago !!
In the classic venturi followed by bubble pump, the venturi (large tube) sucks a lot of water with few bubbles and in the ascent of the bubble pump, the much smaller diameter pipe has little water and a lot of light bubbles so that a lot of water goes down to go up little water much higher with the same amount of air which goes down and goes up !!

[coucou789456]

Good evening

..... a lot of water goes down to go up little water much higher with the same amount of air which goes down and up

it is clear and limpid as an explanation, as is clear water ...

why if you have pressurized air at your disposal do not make the direct venturi without going through a jar at the bottom of the pond.

you bring your air hose down to where you want to take water, then using a hose positioned vertically or inclined as you need, you inject air directly into the center of the hose, and in the direction of the lift of course. provides a grid at the water inlet to prevent it swallows fish, frogs, or all kinds of animals or aquatic plants.

naturally depending on the pressure you have you will not be able to pump the water too deep.

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on gidrotaran, you say it is a ram, but it seems to me that in a ram, the water does not come out continuously as it is presented in the video ... more in a ram, it takes a water inlet at least slightly higher than the outlet to allow the ram to function!
gidrotaran, it rather makes me think of a gorconculator !

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skuIPEeQ ... re=related
about this video, it inspires me but I will not tell you how!

jeff

[dedeleco]

I would like to add that a Venturi, or water pump, creates a vacuum with an atmosphere vacuum, but with a high pressure of tap water, of at least 3 Bars. So its efficiency lower than 1 (1/3) requires a good height of water to have a sufficient air suction speed, with a depression of 1/3 of the water height at best. As soon as the pressure in the compression chamber of the air entering at the start is greater than this value of 1/3 of the water height, the venturi no longer sucks and the water entering from the top of the venturi , threads into the suction and rises in the air intake pipe, to come out and everything stops balancing the pressures.
To take the water out of the chamber through the delivery plunger pipe above the external water level of the lake, this chamber requires a pressure greater than the water height above the chamber and therefore the Venturi cannot walk, because above 1/3 of its operation.
The Heron fountain achieves this by transferring the high pressure from the bottom, via compressed air as well, higher where the water rises from a height fixed by this pressure above the water of the starting lake!
http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/stendhal/fran ... 8heron.htm
The water rises to the maximum above the B of the water height above the A.
If we try to improve by putting the venturi on the A to renew the air, we will have to respect the rule of 1/3 and therefore put B less than 1/3 close to the surface (actually very close) and then the water will rise in pressure in the A (max 1/3);
But the air accumulating in B will have to go out and B will end up full of air in a bubble pump !!
Might as well make the simple bubble pump with Venturi without B? !!

[oli 80]

Hello, I'm going to bring the subject up a bit, because here is what I found http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Gra ... e_21pp.pdf

this link was in the info of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSZNLjCI3hc
video that I had already posted on another subject but there was no explanation because it was in Russian, of or the nickname that I gave to it of "vodka filler"

it is the same video as at the beginning of the subject but taken up by someone else, he added a pdf which seems to explain more or less this machine