Sauna-shower better and cheaper than a shower

[hic]

Hi everybody

The "Sauna-shower", better and cheaper than a shower
with the relaxing and therapeutic effect of a sauna

Revolutionary!!!

The sauna makes it possible to soften and relax the skin (like the bath),
the shower and soaping is taken during the sauna with a little cold water, for the cozy ones,
and 10L of cold water at once at the end for the beefy

to know that cold water will not be unpleasant since you are too hot !!
(if the water is at 0 °, stay 30m or more in the sauna )

what is the price of 15mn of sauna with shower of 10l of cold water at 14 ° ???


To save more and oxygenate,
a heat exchanger with condensate pan,
in addition to insulation.

[Christophe]

Hey Hic did you on purpose? This morning I posted a topic on the real cost of a shower ...

what is the price of 15mn of sauna with shower of 10l of cold water at 14 ° ???

Calculation method here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/prix-reel- ... 12727.html

[hic]

Hey Hic did you on purpose? This morning I posted a topic on the real cost of a shower ...

what is the price of 15mn of sauna with shower of 10l of cold water at 14 ° ???

Calculation method here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/prix-reel- ... 12727.html

hi Christophe
In my case, the shower is at the price of cold water (almost cold)

By cons maintain a mini-sauna at 50 ° for 15 minutes
with more or less ventilation for oxygenation,
I do not know how to do
but I estimate that the energy to heat the mass of the sauna at 50 ° for 15 minutes,
will be significantly less than 50kg of water at 40 °.
an intuition

And as it’s done to replace a bath,
it's automatically won

[Christophe]

but I estimate that the energy of the mass to be heated at 50 ° for 15 minutes in the sauna,
will be significantly less than 50kg of water at 40 °.
an intuition

Certainly, heating a volume of a few m3 of air to 50 ° C will cost less energy than 50L of water ... but will it wash as well?

The most economical saunas are the infrared sauna, which consumes about 2000W for a session of 1 hour ... that makes 2kWh like a 50 L shower ... model 2 to 3 places ...

[hic]

but I estimate that the energy of the mass to be heated at 50 ° for 15 minutes in the sauna,
will be significantly less than 50kg of water at 40 °.
an intuition

Certainly, heating a volume of a few m3 of air to 50 ° C will cost less energy than 50L of water ... but will it wash as well?

The most economical saunas are the infrared sauna, which consumes about 2000W for a session of 1 hour ... that makes 2kWh like a 50 L shower ... model 2 to 3 places ...

in the shower ,
the skin does not swell, the pores are not open
so no deep cleaning, less relaxing.
(the goal is to obtain the same effects in the sauna as in the bath)

So a sauna-shower saves water and consumes as much energy as a shower,
the effect of the sauna in addition!

[hic]

(1st revision)
Hammam / shower, sauna / shower or the Touareg shower (project)

Conclusion:
value of a 30L shower at 38 °:
price of one kWh and 30L of water (according to Christophe ³)
value of a ½ hour hammam shower session:
price of 250 Wh and 10L of cold water


Material Description:
a volume of 2m³ isolated above the shower tray

Description of use:
1. In 5 or 10 minutes indoors, you can soap without water
2. Rinse with cold water and cool, without leaving the hammam²
3. Repeat 1 & 2

² in a hammam, we leave every 10 minutes from the 50 ° zone,
to cool in a room to 37 °.



In the case of a hammam / shower,
only 2m³ is heated without thermal inertia,
since the body is insulating except protection against humidity

The duration of a hammam session should not exceed half an hour, with preheating to 50 °.

a 500W heating system should suffice for rapid warm-up power,
consumption without thermostat ( burnt) is 250Wh per half hour.

Value of a ½ hour hammam shower session: price of less than 250 Wh and 10L of cold water

³
Hot water: By consuming 1kWh, we obtain 30L at 38 ° C for a delta of 28 °
(according to Christophe 50 L, we therefore consume 50 * 0.0325 = 1.625 kWh)
value of a 30L shower: price of a kWh and 30L of water

[Christophe]

It is with the "should" that we start to tell nonsense ...

The problem is that a hammam is an energy sinkhole because there is steam! And this consumes (from 99 ° C to 100 ° C) 2200 kJ / L or 0,61 kWh per L of evaporated water + heating of cold water to 99 ° C ...

So can you explain to us how you arrive at the value of only 250Wh?

Above I speak of an infrared sauna, nothing to do with a hammam!

There are shower cabins with hammam option, see what they consume!

[elephant]

Don't want to try

[hic]

It is with the "should" that we start to tell nonsense ...

The problem is that a hammam is an energy sinkhole because there is steam! And this consumes (from 99 ° C to 100 ° C) 2200 kJ / L or 0,61 kWh per L of evaporated water + heating of cold water to 99 ° C ...

So can you explain to us how you arrive at the value of only 250Wh?

Above I speak of an infrared sauna, nothing to do with a hammam!

There are shower cabins with hammam option, see what they consume!

If it is for urgency and simplicity, I retain the sauna for its economy without thinking!
(When I finish building the case, the hammam option will be expeditious or eliminated! )

But they are steam engines, Your hammams! Theoretically
Go from 20 ° to 50 ° with a 100% saturated atmosphere,
request to evaporate an additional 60g of water per m³,
therefore 120g for the 2m³ of the hammam shower
or 73Wh and in the worst case.
*** Absolute saturation humidity: *** http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humidit%C3 ... saturation ***
this is a saturated moist environment without condensation, the theoretical maximum!
if we want 120g of condensation, that will make an additional 73Wh

"Your hammams! It's crap" it is no longer a reference!

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Observation
The goal is for the skin to be moist and soften:
in principle, it is enough to sweat, with a start at 28 ° at 70% humidity.
Sweating is very dependent on humidity, 32 ° to 100% and we sweat like a pig,
it wouldn't take much for a hammam without energy,
(- with a fogger saturating the ambient air with humidity and increasing the humidity and at room temperature ?.)

Idea: Sauna / Hammam Progressive shower
First, 45 ° to 100% non-condensing to quickly soften the skin,
then finish at 50 ° or 55 ° with 24cl of condensation (localized on the skin?) for 5 or 10 minutes,
so that condensation / humidity is leaching - and the last soaping more effective.
(as for dishes)
or an additional 219Wh for any evaporation.

I have just invented the "'Sauna / Hammam" Progressive "shower with washing-out condensation!
All that's missing is a Steam Karcher to make it more efficient
well, here ! the synchronized washing jet / steam shower with mechanical soaping.
this is called "rolling this crate"

[hic]

Don't want to try

"Your hammams! It's bullshit" this is no longer a reference!
stop pissing me off with other people's hammam!

minima

to soften the skin
you have to sweat!
maximum humidity and a little heat, (little energy)

leaching,
the vapor should condense on the skin
for washing, plus soap
(how much? 24cl of condensation? more? -
24cl to consider as a dynamic liquid soap,
on softened skin, plus material soap)

Synchronization of these 3 actions = efficiency

it has nothing to do with what you find in the trade!


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