French law on the recovery of rainwater

[Woodcutter]

[...] yes but is it indiscreet to know what you do exactly as job ...?

I take care of the environmental aspects in a landscaping box.

[...]: shock:
for clean up rainwater .... !! ??
that is to say .. ??
in what context ?[...]

Yes, rainstorms ...

It is sure that when you are used to speaking only of rain from roofs or terraces it's funny, but when you put your nose outside, on the public domain, you have to be concerned about the pollutant load recovered by the rain ...

[little sparrow]

re,
hi Bucheron,

.... but when you put your nose out, in the public domain, ....

yes yes it happens to me ... sometimes .... worry ..........

Yes, rainstorms ...

well yes, but I had not noticed that your "clients" were "public" ....!


...

cordially

[Woodcutter]

Article the Gazette of the Communes evoking the recovery of rainwater ...

[little sparrow]

Hello ,


Continuation and "almost end" of the "new water law" ....

Close to the Joint Joint Committee of 19/12/2006, which brought everyone's agreement, the National Assembly and the Senate each adopted, on 20/12/2006, the draft law on water and aquatic environments!

The texts of the “little law” (provisional) can be consulted on:
National Assembly
Senate


Note :

Regarding the tax credit on non-collective sanitation rehabilitation works, it was to be expected .... it "fell into the water" .....

Concerning (the old) article 23: a section 15 is inserted:
Fee for the collection, transport, storage and treatment of rainwater
... / ...
“The rate of the tax is set by deliberation of the deliberative assembly of the municipality or the group competent to institute the tax, up to a limit of € 0,20 per square meter. The deliberations instituting and fixing the tariff of the tax are adopted under the conditions provided for in article 1639 A bis of the general tax code.
"Art. L. 2333-98. - The tax is due by the owners, on January 1 of the taxation year, of buildings subject to the tax. In case of plurality of owners, the tax is due by the co-ownership or the co-ownership real estate company or, failing this, each of the undivided owners in proportion to the rights they hold. In case of dismemberment of the property right, the tax is due by the usufructuary. In the case of land rented by emphyteutic lease, by construction lease or by rehabilitation lease, the tax is established in the name of the emphyteus or the lessee of the construction or rehabilitation lease.
"The tax does not constitute a tax recoverable by the owners within the meaning of the law n ° 89-462 of July 16, 1989 tending to improve the rental reports and amending the law n ° 86-1290 of December 23, 1986.
“Owners who have implemented devices preventing or limiting the discharge of rainwater into the network mentioned in article L. 2333-97 benefit from a reduction, between 10% and 90% of the amount of the tax. The tax is no longer due when the device implemented makes it possible to avoid spillage and leads to the effective termination of the connection to the public rainwater collection network.
... / ...


Concerning (the old) article 23 ter in relation to the tax credit on rainwater recovery installations:

the rate of 25% was retained, concerning only the equipment !! (not the works), and for the period 01/2007 to 12/2009 ... (see precise details on the text)
There remains to come the "famous" interministerial decree, which will define exactly the type of equipment accepted as well as the installation conditions ...
"For the equipment mentioned in e of 1, an order of the ministers responsible for the environment and housing fixes the list of the latter who are entitled to the tax credit and specifies the conditions for using rainwater in the habitat and the conditions of installation, maintenance and monitoring of this equipment. ";

will also remain the confirmation of "finances" ....

to follow for final adoption (promulgation) ......

cordially

[little sparrow]

Hello ,

Here are the debates finally closed, the "new law on water" finally passed and promulgated .... !!

WATER AND AQUATIC ENVIRONMENTS ACT:

* Law n ° 2006-1772 of December 30, 2006 published in OJ No. 303 of December 31, 2006


See also:

Item No. concordance table

cordially

best wishes to you all !!

[Snickers]

thank you little pierrot for the links

We also talk a lot about Germany in this post ... but a lot of inaccurate things. I live in Germany and I collect rainwater for laundry, toilets, garden, aquarium, iron, car (battery, coolant, washer fluid, washing)
The recovery of rainwater is not problematic for these uses in the context of individual use. However, it is regulated and it can differ depending on the Lander. Me ... It's the Niedersachsen.
The pressure networks must be 100% independent.
No valve, no Y, ...
Concretely, if my reserve is empty, a float triggers a solenoid valve which takes water from the network intended for the garden ... from a second meter and pours into the reserve.
To have no worries, the plumbing installation must be done by a professional!
For water intended for housing coming from the rainwater reserve an additional (third) lead meter is installed. It accounts for the volumes that will be discharged into the sewer (toilet and washing machine). These cubic meters are reprocessed so we have to pay for it. (about 3 roros per cubic meter).
So i have three counter
- A meter A for water from the city network intended for housing (~ 4 E per cubic meter)
- A meter B for water from the city network intended for the garden (~ 1 E per cubic meter)
- A C meter for rainwater intended for housing (~ 3 E per cubic meter)
The invoice ... It's 4xA + 1xB + 3xC = lots of whales!
The gains:
- 3 E per cubic meter of rainwater instead of 4 E
- I have a demineralized water source for the 500L aquarium (this prevents me from using an osmosis unit)
- water for the garden is almost free (pump consumption)
- 3 times less detergent in the machine and a softer cloth.
This is for me the main reason for the use of rainwater.

It's already very complicated ... and to make it even less simple, a new tax will appear next year on rainwater. The quantity of water discharged into the rainwater network in equivalent cubic meters will be calculated according to the areas covered ...
I feel it ... it will take a fourth meter to calculate the cubic meters from the tank and intended for the garden! In order to deduct these cubic meters and not pay tax on them!
Go, to finish a small photo of my tank of 2300 liters that I made myself.

I detailed the realization here https://www.econologie.com/forums/post51385.html#51385
I recover water on 60 m ^ 2 and use about 35000 liters per year of rainwater. My next reserve will certainly be more than 6000 liters!
If the recovery of rainwater tends to generalize ... there is a high probability that the law is moving towards similar billing systems.

[Goudge]

To come back to the debate concerning the "choice" between flush toilets (whether potable or reclaimed) and dry toilets, I want to clarify that the most important aspect in this problem is well water pollution.

Few of us realize that the food we eat is produced by the soil. So it is perfectly logical and consistent that this matter should return there.

"Diluting" it in water, which from a biological point of view is far less well equipped for reprocessing than soil, is a practice which in just a few decades has caused the suffocation and agony of our rivers.

There are specialists like Joseph Orszagh (www.eautarcie.com) who have studied and described the consequences of this criminal practice for the environment.

Afterwards, the way in which we defend the flush toilet is a function of often subjective parameters such as our taboo on "poo" and the relative psychological comfort provided by the disappearance of an annoying turd through the hole in the bowl. .

It remains to be seen whether humanity can really afford it in the medium and short term?

[jonule]

hello to you Goudge;

for my part I think in part that I have solved the problem of ch ** ier in drinking water: by bringing rainwater to recover roofs via tank.
I tested the dry toilets for 6 months, but the concern is what is left: you can not use it in the house, well I mean the garden: you have to wait 2 years, and turn with 3 bins.
I am currently working on a small biogas plant, a small anaerobic tank with continuous entry, for gas recovery (auxiliary gas stove) + fertilizer, which there I hope will be usable but is that not said? ...

[Goudge]

Hi Jonule,

Ben in fact "ch ** ier" in recovered water does not change absolutely nothing to the problem of bad routing of materials that I mentioned .... I do not see a solution. Just as I am not sure I understood the one you are considering, and which seems a little more complicated and / or expensive to me.

Simplicity, just like using (as much as possible) solutions that do not necessarily require a lot of supplies or technology is probably the most accessible route for everyone.

In the experiments already put into practice for a few years by Joseph Orszagh and all those who tested his techniques, to my knowledge no one was with a "refractory" compost as long to obtain as the one you describe. It is even astonishing, because the organic matter which comes out of our intestines is not so different from that which comes out of that of the other animals of creation ... except if you live near the Hague

Concerning the TLB there are plans of realization a little more elaborate and effective than the simple wooden box hiding a bucket, which has value only as a feasibility test or troubleshooting.

When you opt for this system and stop the "merdification" of surface water, it is better to achieve a dry toilet that is efficient and practical to use!

I cannot append a doc to my message because I no longer have the number of the magazine "silence" devoting a documented file to the TLB, but I remember well that we saw a very design realization, in the form of pyramid, using an elevation of the seat (the "Throne") to obtain the transformation and desiccation of materials along a fairly inclined plane, traversed by air currents favored by the structure. In the end, at the bottom in a collector and after a few weeks, the materials had become a compost that can be used anywhere and no longer having the appearance of average columbine.

And when these transformation of organic matter there are many approaches allowing a better valorization, the base being to absolutely avoid anaerobiosis, therefore to proscribe the thick and dense pile at the bottom of the garden or at the bottom of a hole, favor l aerobic. This is as true for the soil of the field as that of the garden or the pile of manure or human matter.

Inspired by what happens at ground level in a forest, where tons of organic matter decomposes without bad odors or significant gas loss. The "technological" ways of nature are most often the best ...

The real problem in this story is that the public authorities, there again, block or divert information, in order not to change anything at the bottom of the problem, and abandoning the environment to its decline and allowing some multinationals to fill up the pockets with their costly and sophisticated reprocessing plants of inappropriate.

Likewise our current laws constrain or prevent certain promising attempts. Everything is done so that we continue to shit in our rivers by convincing ourselves that there is no acceptable alternative.

It makes me think of all the similar that we can do on this idea with the question of energy for example ... the matrix, Neo, it is omnipresent.

[the middle]

My answer compared to Jonule, and to Gouge:
I have great doubts about the merits of the European community ..
But thanks to his directives, in my village, we separated the sewage network, and the surface water network.
I note that thanks to this, the small river in the village has become clear (before it was an open sewer)
There remains the water from houses or bulding, which ends up in water treatment plants.
Now it is "enough to make bio gas with the waste mud from the station .... No?