Life expectancy down in the US ...

[Did67]

News that we haven't talked about much I find:
http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/201 ... _3232.html

And two remarks:

- we tend to "follow" the USA ten years later. Therefore ????

- one can wonder about the neo-liberal discourse, with very few charges in the USA, therefore on the health system: when only the rich can treat themselves well, average life expectancy decreases; the very example of a choice of society in the political sense!

- suddenly, if my first dash is true, the retirement problem will find a "natural" solution! The COR figures for 2050 were based on a constant increase in life expectancy!

Everyone at Mc Do and mandatory soda to save pensions!

[Christophe]

Good topic!

You do well to talk about MacDo. In France / Europe too it is stagnating, this was said in the interview at the end of this topic: https://www.econologie.com/forums/macdo-une- ... 10305.html

Still visible 2 days on Arte +7 not hang around !!

Subject and figures that annoy authorities and industry, should especially not talk too much ... cfqd

[Obamot]

Subject and figures that annoy authorities and industry, should especially not talk too much ... cfqd

... hence unreliable statistics!

In the present case, as long as it is not known whether the statistical data reflect a tangible reality, OR if the figures had been biased at the time and today appear proportions closer to reality ....!?

To believe our stat teacher at the time, I would absolutely opt for the second hypothesis. Because totally impossible to achieve with the state of stature and obesity of the American people, if we add the very poor health condition that had been observed during the major campaigns of free care in these "field hospitals" in full air, we can't even believe the most optimistic figures!
Especially in a country where predation is legion ... since it is promulgated loud and clear "the law of the strongest" at all levels ....

[Christophe]

Yes, but it is also necessary to distinguish "life" and "healthy life" = not sick!

I personally know 4 cases of cancer under 40 years of age: 2 in their 1s, 1 in their 10s and XNUMX under the age of XNUMX.

Are not dead but they had to undergo treatments and / or multiple operations: how does it fit in? Surely not that of life expectancy!

Isn't there a problem there?

"We" had unemployment, insecurity, AIDS, starac ... now we have youth cancer ...

[Did67]

1) It seems to me that the concept of life expectancy is statistically quite defined.

This is the life expectancy at birth in this case. This is the statistically "average" lifespan of someone born today (in fact, it's 2009).

2) In any case, over 10 years, there has been no significant change in methods or in the reliability of statistics in developed countries. So it doesn't matter if there is a statistical bias: the trend reversal would remain.

3) Me too, on a team of around thirty, certainly "aging", 3 cancers (treated) + my heart attack + another heart problem ... in 3 or 4 years.

I think we are just starting to pay for the cocktail "ambient pollution" + "stress and sedentary lifestyle at work" + "unbalanced and industrial diet" (not enough omega 3, too much sugar, not enough variety, too refined diet , too many additives although "perfectly traceable" and to the standards question bacteria etc ...) ... Perhaps still some side effects of drugs?

I think this is just the beginning because I don't see massive changes!

For me, this is what alerted me in this info.

[Did67]

In the present case, as long as it is not known whether the statistical data reflect a tangible reality, OR if the figures had been biased at the time and today would appear proportions closer to reality ....

Honestly, I see enough reason to believe the likely trend reversal [some had announced it more or less in the media: Servan-Schreiber or Claude Aubert for example] ...

And rather than ostrich by questioning the reliability of the data, I wonder about our company and what it offers (especially for young people; for me, the biggest is done).

[Obamot]

To get figures from a neutral and independent research campaign, it may be hard! If you knew all the means that it is possible to implement to make the statistics say what we want ... just look at the plan of finance. According to statistics, 2008 was the year of the full boom of the world economy ... nothing had ever worked so well until then ... however it is good in October of the same year as the castle collapsed. So the statistics ... (!)

Yes, but it is also necessary to distinguish "life" and "healthy life" = not sick!

I personally know 4 cases of cancer under 40 years of age: 2 in their 1s, 1 in their 10s and XNUMX under the age of XNUMX.

Are not dead but they had to undergo treatments and / or multiple operations: how does it fit in? Surely not that of life expectancy!

Isn't there a problem there?

"We" had unemployment, insecurity, AIDS, starac ... now we have youth cancer ...

Who says there was none before! I affirm that yes! And even in Europe, read the book I often talk about Dr. Kousmine and you will understand: when, why and how ... who falls on who? !!!

[dedeleco]

2008 was the year of the full boom of the world economy ... nothing had ever worked so well until then ... however it is good in October of the same year that the château de carte s collapsed. So the statistics ... (!)

It was not a question of false statistics, they were exact, like the number of trucks circulating on the A7 at night towards Spain at the beginning of 2008 which was divided by 5 to 10 at the end of 2008, typical case of economic bubble and real estate, as unpredictable exactly as earthquakes !!!
The finance statistics were exact, but their forecast analysis was misleading, almost obvious on a chaotic system !!

You have to separate the exact statistical measures from the forecasts, which are false because often only continuing past growth !!!

[Obamot]

... tssss, yes and no.

- it is very easy to say that the cause of death is due to septic shock (when we know very well that the patient's condition was weakened by cancer ...)
- it is very easy to say that someone died of pneumonia (when his condition was also weakened by cancer ...).
- it is even easier to say that someone who died of influenza would have caused complications which would have struck him down, while the blood analysis showed a chronic immune deficiency which is clearly seen by looking at the globules under the microscopes with characteristic spots ... Characteristic signs of cancer ...

So it all depends on what we base ourselves on to say "who" had "what" ....

[Christophe]

Also in Germany:

http://www.romandie.com/news/n/_L_esper ... 111212.asp

The life expectancy of the poor has fallen in Germany for 10 years

BERLIN - The life expectancy of the lowest-income Germans has fallen sharply in the past decade, according to federal government figures released on Monday.

While the average life expectancy continues to increase in Germany, that of people with the lowest incomes went from 77,5 years in 2001 to 75,5 years in 2010, according to these official figures, obtained and published by the parliamentary group of the radical left Die Linke, after a written question to the government.

In the old Länder of East Germany, the fall in life expectancy of the lowest income earners - those earning less than three quarters of the average income - is even more marked: it goes from 77,9 years to 74,1 years, over the same period.

Pensions specialist within the Die Linke parliamentary group, Matthias Birkwald, pointed out that in Germany the reduction in the retirement age to 67 years was justified by an increase in life expectancy, in a press release.

Germany is the European country with the most inhabitants over the age of 65 (20,6%), according to Eurostat. The retirement age will gradually increase from 65 to 67, under a reform adopted in 2007 by the coalition government of the time which brought together social democrats and conservatives.

Figures released Monday also show that only 26,4% of people aged 60 to 64 were employed in March 2011 subject to social security contributions. Less than 19% were employed full time.

Birkwald says the figures mean that raising the retirement age is nothing more than a big plan to cut pensions, which affects the lowest-income earners and those with the most jobs. painful.