Polarization: the anti-debate phenomenon

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Polarization: the anti-debate phenomenon




by Rajqawee » 04/02/21, 09:28

I think right now it would apply pretty well to this forum...



On the one hand, it is right on the subject, on the other hand it will perhaps make you discover the chain of this gentleman, which is really nice.

I see speakers, on this forum, who end up leaving "disgusted" for not having been able to "convince" the other.

Rather, rejoice to have interacted with someone who does not have your way of seeing things, it can broaden your horizons!
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Re: Polarization: the anti debate phenomenon




by eclectron » 04/02/21, 10:15

Rajqawee wrote:I think right now it would apply pretty well to this forum...



On the one hand, it is right on the subject, on the other hand it will perhaps make you discover the chain of this gentleman, which is really nice.

I see speakers, on this forum, who end up leaving "disgusted" for not having been able to "convince" the other.

Rather, rejoice to have interacted with someone who does not have your way of seeing things, it can broaden your horizons!

We must also admit that there are harmful idiots. : Lol:
Honestly, everything is not bad with them but on average, unfortunately, it is.
And only one insistent good is enough ...
How do you think that laws against the common good manage to pass to parliaments (France, Europe): Lobbyism.
it is not just a "different" opinion which is expressed, it is organized propaganda with an often nauseating interest behind. If, if bad guys ...
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Re: Polarization: the anti debate phenomenon




by Obamot » 19/02/21, 20:13

Rajqawee wrote:I think right now it would apply pretty well to this forum...

On the one hand, it is right on the subject, on the other hand it will perhaps make you discover the chain of this gentleman, which is really nice.

I see speakers, on this forum, who end up leaving "disgusted" for not having been able to "convince" the other.

Rather, rejoice to have interacted with someone who does not have your way of seeing things, it can broaden your horizons!


Not only at this forum, in the scientific world, the media ... moreover a thread of this type was missing! Thank you.

There was the fake-news, then the check-news, which quickly became a propaganda tool too ...

Now is the time for the Re-Check:

Science in pandemic mode:
the strange case of the Swiss National COVID-19 Science Task Force


The Swiss National COVID-19 Science Task Force, a group of experts supposed to enlighten decision-makers on the scientific evidence in the coronavirus crisis, continues to enjoy extraordinary visibility and to influence the daily lives of the Swiss in unprecedented ways. A debate on its legitimacy and its role appears more necessary than ever.
Above all, it is high time to take a critical look at the quality of its scientific work.

https://www.re-check.ch/wordpress/fr/sc ... ask-force/
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Re: Polarization: the anti debate phenomenon




by ABC2019 » 19/02/21, 20:29

Rajqawee wrote:I think right now it would apply pretty well to this forum...



On the one hand, it is right on the subject, on the other hand it will perhaps make you discover the chain of this gentleman, which is really nice.

I see speakers, on this forum, who end up leaving "disgusted" for not having been able to "convince" the other.

Rather, rejoice to have interacted with someone who does not have your way of seeing things, it can broaden your horizons!

the scientific method was able to develop because there was an agreement on a standard of discussion: we make models that make quantitative predictions, and we compare facts to predictions. If that doesn't work, we agree to abandon the idea or to make it evolve.

But it only works if we have previously agreed on what the scientific method is and the criteria for "true or false". If you are discussing with an Islamic fundamentalist who takes as a criterion of truth that it must be in the Koran, how do you want to move forward? one can only usefully discuss with people who share a minimum of conventions of what is truth and error.

For example, if you offer a mathematical proof to support what you are saying, but someone retorts you that you suck and you are probably wrong (but without explaining why, or providing another answer), what is the answer to do?
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Re: Polarization: the anti debate phenomenon




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 19/02/21, 20:42

ABC2019 wrote:what is the answer to do?

For you there is only one: "You suck". : Mrgreen:
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Re: Polarization: the anti debate phenomenon




by Obamot » 20/02/21, 00:53

ABC2019 wrote:- “Luke, I'm Ampere”!

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Re: Polarization: the anti debate phenomenon




by eclectron » 20/02/21, 08:33

When I was referring to the harmful idiots that I might as well call the rottenness of humanity, I was thinking of those mentioned in this documentary.
It is obviously "big money" that are behind and then the individual desire not to be disturbed in his little comfort or his ideology, not to be constrained by reality, which relay all that.

the factory of doubt ...

research doubts, science does not doubt and they have brought doubt into science to achieve their ends: to drown the problem they are causing in a fog of problems in order to reduce the weight of the problem they are the origin: tobacco, asbestos, RCA roundup, bees ...

What real debate to have in the face of this bad faith financed and organized? That's why it clashes.

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/091148-00 ... ignorance/

How, from the ravages of tobacco to the denial of climate change, we use science to deny ... science. A dizzying investigation into the black holes of research and information.

Why did it take decades to officially admit that tobacco was dangerous for your health? How to explain that a large part of the population still believes that human activities have no impact on climate change? Are neonicotinoid pesticides really responsible for the excess mortality of bees? Why has the recognition of bisphenol A as an endocrine disruptor only motivated timid bans? Through these "textbook cases" which, from laboratories to social networks, all result from battles planned with millions of dollars and euros, this investigation straddling Europe and the United States reveals the outlines a little-known offensive, yet launched in the 1950s, when research revealed that tobacco was a factor in cancer and cardiovascular accidents. To counter a disturbing truth, because it could lead to increased regulation at the cost of heavy financial losses, the industry then secretly imagines a particular form of disinformation, which is becoming widespread today: to arouse, by financing, among other things, abundantly competing scientific studies, a thick cloud of doubt that feeds controversies and misleads public opinion.

Agnotology
This instrumentalisation of science for deceptive purposes has generated a new discipline of research: agnotology, literally, the science of "producing ignorance". In addition to some of its recognized representatives, including the American historian of science Naomi Oreskes, this investigation gives voice to leading actors in the fight between "good" and "bad" science, including the fascinating "discoverers" of misdeeds. bisphenol A. It thus exposes the hidden mechanisms that contribute to delaying, sometimes by decades, vital decisions, such as rigging protocols, or even the ad hoc manufacture of transgenic rats to guarantee the desired results. Finally, it explains, as close as possible to research, why our so-called "information" societies adapt so well to collective inertia which, in doubt, favors business as usual and unbridled consumption.


In the same vein, there are 3 documentaries on Murdoch
https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/098154-00 ... edias-1-3/

After all that, we understand why it becomes difficult to have a calm debate, with or against at least 2 activists on the forum.
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