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Topic following the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and Vincennes in early January 2015 (see https://www.econologie.com/forums/charlie-he ... 3-230.html ) to discuss the possible political and social consequences of these acts of barbarism!

First symbolic act: bringing together in less than 4 days, 50 heads of state in the same event! I think the most symbolic is to bring together the Palestinian President and the Israeli Prime Minister for the same cause!

Indeed; I am not at all certain (I am even almost certain to the contrary) that the Israeli Prime Minister (currently Benjamin Netanyahu) and the Palestinian President (currently Mahmoud Abbas) will one day makes a demonstration together for the same cause!

It's an image that is nevertheless mind-blowing (and which will certainly make more of an asshole extremist rage over there ...)!



Well we still did not dare to put them side by side eh ...

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André's opinion about this improvised "meeting":

Andre wrote:Hello

I remain stupefais to see autand volunteers who organized in as short a time to start major events with good strucutre sign and media ect ..
Just a few months we organize a demonstration against the tar sands oil transport on the river in our town and it take a lot of time and energy to volunteer.
I admire your organistions and the means available to it if only to print posters, banners, trip, contact volunteers protesters, permits, authorizations trip.
Organizing security avoid overflows, ensuring that extremist thugs not benefit to faufiller with protesters ..
An event of this magnitude it is not improvie it takes a structure ..

Andre

Two humanly strong images (which I find) of the republican march ...

A kiss to a CRS:



Long hug from Holland with Patrick Pelloux, emergency doctor and columnist at Charlie (crying):

Another image with strong symbolism:



Then a funnier:

Even 4 million people in the streets of France .... It's 62 million who did not go ...

Social consequences? ...

A statement (of a social nature) that most appealed to me was that of Daniel COHN-BENDIT who asked that more financial means be given to young people in the suburbs, but not only in the suburbs, since some young people derive from it are now from less disadvantaged backgrounds.
Financial and human resources to recover these young people who find an outlet only in "unconventional professional activities".

In some of my activities (educator) I am brought to meet and work with these young people who see no way out and no future in society who pretends to want to get them out of their psychological and social misery.
I feel these young people as locked in a social bubble without future, to mount the head between them, and to make build up the pressure until exploding.

The rare doors that some open to them is to offer them drug trafficking, concealment, robberies, terrorism or go jihad as a social outlet; all these "unconventional professional activities" that are far more remunerative and "rewarding" than the little jobs of poverty that they can manage to land in the best of cases.

I happen to work with some of them and often their remarks consist in pointing out to me that they will toil like nothing less than nothing on ungrateful and badly paid small jobs to gain in 1 month what 2 days of drug smuggling will bring them back!

On the one hand there are all these administrations and social institutions which make them go around in circles offering them internships, "morality" sessions, and asking them for supporting documents and "proofs" of their goodwill motivation to without leaving,

and on the other, there are those who quickly see their interest in this young population full of energy and without activity, a pool of staff who will have bright eyes when they see one of their colleague pass take the step and pay a bmw in a few months. (cf. Mohamed Merah who exhibited proudly at the wheel of the bmw).

Sometimes I get nauseous when I go to work with some of these young people, and we arrive on a site where the employer negotiates wages at the lowest like a carpet merchant before proudly and disdainfully getting into a car over € 50000. These young people may be adrift, they still have a minimum of judgment and understand that this society will leave them by the wayside.

It's stupid, but it's a sad reality.

France is in many ways a country of social castes where respect, common sense, or quite simply compassion, no longer prevail.

Macro wrote:Even 4 million people in the streets of France .... It's 62 million who did not go ...

Always moaning at him!

The streets are not wide enough for 66 Million lol!

Grelinette wrote:A statement (of a social nature) that most appealed to me was that of Daniel COHN-BENDIT who asked that more financial means be given to young people in the suburbs, but not only in the suburbs, since some young people derive from it are now from less disadvantaged backgrounds.
Financial and human resources to recover these young people who find an outlet only in "unconventional professional activities".

I also heard ...

Social discomfort is indeed the deep source of discomfort! I've been saying it since Wednesday !!

Now are subsidized unsustainable jobs or bogus training ... a sustainable solution? I do not believe...

And as you say, especially since other disadvantaged young people risk feeling inequalities or injustices ... Just as the famous "positive discrimination" has already made ...

Yes, the basic problem of terrorism is above all economic: someone who has an (economic) future does not fall into the drift!

Grelinette wrote:I happen to work with some of them and often their remarks consist in pointing out to me that they will toil like nothing less than nothing on ungrateful and badly paid small jobs to gain in 1 month what 2 days of drug smuggling will bring them back!

(...) These young people may be adrift, they still have a minimum of judgment and understand that this society will leave them by the wayside.

It's stupid, but it's a sad reality.

Uh I think most young people are in the same basket on this side!

Grelinette wrote:France is in many ways a country of social castes where respect, common sense, or quite simply compassion, no longer prevail.

+1 and is the "charlie affair" going to change this in the right direction?

Temptation of a French Patriot Act -> http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/201 ... se_1177894

Overall + 1 with Grelinette