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The magic of sdhi, another disaster to come ...




by GuyGadebois » 16/09/19, 20:44

We are a collective of researchers, oncologists, doctors, and toxicologists, from the CNRS, Inserm, the University, and INRA. At a time when there are increasing alarming communications on the collapse of biodiversity in France, Europe and the world, it seems urgent to draw attention to the potential risks to human health and the environment from use of a class of pesticides, SDHIs (succinate dehydrogenase inhibitors), now widely used as antifungals in agriculture. These fungicides are intended to destroy fungi, molds that develop on plants in crops, crops and fruits. In France, around 70% of the common wheat area and almost 80% of that of winter barley are treated by SDHIs (2014 data). Added to this is the treatment of seeds, fruits (grapes and citrus), but also lawns, especially those of golf courses.
The following here:
https://www.liberation.fr/debats/2018/0 ... es_1643539
And then:
https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/0 ... on_1703377
Izy, if you read this ... : Mrgreen:
And the lie of ANSES (hand in hand with the industrial manufacturers of these shit):
https://www.lepoint.fr/environnement/pe ... 2_1927.php
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by izentrop » 17/09/19, 00:20

GuyGadebois wrote:And the lie of ANSES (hand in hand with the industrial manufacturers of these shit):
https://www.lepoint.fr/environnement/pe ... 2_1927.php
Or is there a lie?
Nicolino's blatant, but ANSES did its job
From the end of 2017, we talked with the geneticist Pierre Rustin, who was studying rare diseases resulting from a significant and constant genetic deficit in SDH (succinate dehydrogenase, a key enzyme in the respiratory chain.) These are extremely genetic diseases rare, and disabling. Professor Rustin observed an association of these genetic diseases with certain rare cancers. He told the agency that SDHI, which can inhibit the SDH enzyme, is notably a source of cancer. ANSES therefore naturally asked him to provide the scientific data to support this claim as soon as possible.
The evidence is still not there.
Collective expertise on SDHIs (Updated 05/09/2019)
The exhaustive examination of the available scientific data carried out by the group of experts assembled by ANSES did not provide any elements confirming this signal. In fact, the level of dietary exposure turns out to be low with regard to toxicological thresholds. In addition, these substances, none of which is classified as proven or presumed carcinogenic in European regulations, are rapidly metabolized and eliminated in humans. Furthermore, in the sources consulted, no data suggests that the incidence of cancers, in particular those associated with hereditary SDH deficiency, increased with the marketing of SDHI fungicides, particularly among farmers. Likewise, there are no data indicating an impact of these fungicides on organisms in the environment. https://www.anses.fr/fr/content/fongicides-sdhi
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by GuyGadebois » 17/09/19, 10:25

izentrop wrote:ImageANSES

I had foreseen this one. Almost provoked!
Here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10657297
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21173220
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11605159
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23707781
THE ANSES IS the lie. But you still believe those who are "on the good side" of the handle. Scientific luminaries are ch ... to analyze, test, discover and denounce the risks, but they lie, Nicolino lies, so it's a plot (gaucho-ecologico-bobo?). Terrifying, yes, that's the word.
https://information.tv5monde.com/info/s ... es-vivants
Their report is a real farce, a textbook case of bad faith. In fact, they haven't screwed anything up, analyzed nothing but give subjective recommendations and opinions. The "tongue in cheek" report:
https://www.anses.fr/fr/system/files/PH ... 0113Ra.pdf
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by izentrop » 18/09/19, 09:03

No offense to organic lobbyists (Nicolino, Veillerette ...) who only have fear as a weapon, it's always the dose that makes the poison.
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by Janic » 18/09/19, 09:41

THE ANSES IS the lie. But you still believe those who are "on the good side" of the handle. Scientific luminaries are ch ... to analyze, test, discover and denounce the risks, but they lie, Nicolino lies, so it's a plot (gaucho-ecologico-bobo?). Terrifying, yes, that's the word.

And in addition I agree with you ! ANSES and his fellows it's the lie. So you have the biggest! Sacred Rocco : Cheesy: : Shock:

And the lie of ANSES (hand in hand with the industrial manufacturers of these shit):
Their report is a real farce, a textbook case of bad faith. In fact, they haven't screwed anything up, analyzed nothing but give subjective recommendations and opinions. The "tongue in cheek" report:

I finally found my master! : Cheesy:
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by GuyGadebois » 18/09/19, 10:09

izentrop wrote:No offense to organic lobbyists (Nicolino, Veillerette ...) who only have fear as a weapon, it's always the dose that makes the poison.

The release call is the fact of:

Paule Bénit PhD, IR2 research engineer at Inserm, Dominique Chrétien PhD, IR2 research engineer at Inserm Malgorzata Rak PhD, CR1 researcher at CNRS, Manuel Schiff MD, PhD, pediatrician, university lecturer, APHP hospital practitioner, Pierre Rustin PhD, CE research director at CNRS, Inserm unit UMR1141, (team of pathophysiology and mitochondrial disease therapy), Robert-Debré hospital, Paris-Diderot university, Judith Favier PhD, DR2 research director at Inserm, Anne-Paule Gimenez-Roqueplo MD, PhD, professor, APHP-University, Inserm unit UMR970 (pheochromocytoma and paraganglioma team), European Georges-Pompidou hospital, Paris-Descartes university, Sylvie Bortoli PhD, IR1 research engineer at INSERM, UMR 1124, (toxicology, pharmacology and cell signaling team), Paris-Descartes University, Laurence Huc PhD, CR1 Inra research fellow, Inra - Toxalim unit (team contaminants and cellular stress), Toulouse-Paul-Sabatier University.

NO NICOLINO OR VEILLERETTE.

So your little ANSES booklet that works for the manufacturers of poisons (with our cash), it makes me laugh!

Ps: "If the dangerousness of SDHI fungicides was only discovered late - and by chance - it is because their mode of action is atypical, and therefore escapes the toxicity tests conducted today."
https://www.liberation.fr/france/2018/0 ... re_1645590
Ps2: The second death of the alchemist Paracelsus
Its famous formula, "it's the dose that makes the poison", is rendered obsolete by endocrine disruptors, which show deleterious effects on health not at high doses but at very low concentrations.
https://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article ... 50684.html
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by Janic » 18/09/19, 11:09

Ps2: The second death of the alchemist Paracelsus
Its famous formula, "it's the dose that makes the poison", is rendered obsolete by endocrine disruptors, which show deleterious effects on health not at high doses but at very low concentrations.
https://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article ... 50684.html
absolutely! But we repeat it to him, it does not enter his little head! : Cry: However, this obviously does not prevent that high doses are also poisons. Food my dear Wats ... I zen who says too much nonsense. : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by GuyGadebois » 16/11/19, 02:46

A new study published on November 7, 2019 in the renowned scientific journal PLOS One confirms the deleterious effects of SDHI pesticides on the cellular functioning of earthworm bees and humans.
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http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... ne.0224132
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by izentrop » 16/11/19, 08:52

GuyGadebois wrote: The second death of the alchemist Paracelsus
Its famous formula, "it's the dose that makes the poison", is rendered obsolete by endocrine disruptors, which show deleterious effects on health not at high doses but at very low concentrations.
https://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article ... 50684.html
Written by the world's famous activist, of course : roll: https://www.pseudo-sciences.org/La-dose ... -le-poison
GuyGadebois wrote:confirms the harmful effects of SDHI pesticides
in vitro not in vivo.
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by GuyGadebois » 16/11/19, 13:10

Uh ... that's all you have to answer ???? "In vitro not in vivo" ????
So we should wait until it kills and continue until it kills by continuing the "so far so good"

Concerning Paracelce, nearly 800 studies have undermined its principle. I doubt that it was "the activist of the World" (sic) who led them.
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