Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

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Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

by Christophe » 25/06/20, 17:28

Another new Covid topic but I think it's important: that of the residual effects (permanent ???) of people who fell ill ...


Coronavirus: endless symptoms for some patients, months after

For some patients, Covid-19 is a disease they cannot see the outcome of. Witnesses are multiplying, of people for whom the Covid-19 did not need to be hospitalized. But several months after the first symptoms, these patients are still not rid of the effects of the disease.

Their stories can be found on social networks, Twitter, for example. They are indicated by # afterJ20, # afterJ90, or #covidlong. And they all have one thing in common, after periods of several months, they still experience symptoms of SARS-Cov2 to the point of still having to lead a life in slow motion. "Since the end of February, chest pains, difficulty in breathing, periods of improvement and then a relapse. I am 21 years old and at a time when all people of my age are returning to sport, I wonder if I could one day do it again, ”Polo McCaffrey posted on Twitter.

For another subscriber of the Twitter network reached for 96 days, it is also the galley: "On D96, my main symptoms are chest pain, as if the area around the sternum / plexus was permanently congested / inflamed. Who recognizes himself. in that description and managed to get by and how? ”he asks, looking for help. Same thing for this other person, Lily who speaks to the other patients: "Did you have the feeling of a tight and narrowed throat to the point of having a phobia of suffocation, bad eating, and post-meal discomfort + fever after 3 months? ”she wrote.

Shortness of breath, intense fatigue, loss of taste, chest tightness ...
Persistent symptoms vary, but all of these long-lived Covid-19 patients suffer and wonder especially when this will end. At 37, Anne-Sophie Spiette, from Stoumon, was in this uncertainty. It was contaminated with Covid-19. She went to the emergency room several times because she was very short of breath, had severe chest pain. However, she was never hospitalized.

Admittedly, 10% of her lungs were affected by Covid-19, but it did not necessarily require hospitalization. After two weeks the "flu" symptoms subsided but it was far from over: "The other symptoms stayed with their ups and downs. After three or four weeks it seemed like it was over but 5 days later, it started again. Especially in the lung. Today, I am still very short of breath, I have chest pain, intestinal problems, big drops in blood pressure and fatigue. I have to sleep a lot, I don't I don't know how to do much anymore. I have trouble climbing the stairs, having a conversation on the phone. It's all everyday life that I don't know how to do well. At 37 years old. I was in good health before " , she sums up, describing her daily life.

Anne-Sophie Spiette would like to return to work, which she is still unable to do. She remains optimistic but admits going through moments of doubt: "I am a great optimist but I am beginning to despair. I see on Facebook groups some patients who are at 140 days. I am only 90. That scares for the future, ”she explains.

Not all of these long-term Covid-19 patients have the same symptoms. The most common are shortness of breath, severe fatigue, loss of taste or chest tightness. Today, these patients hope that medicine is interested in their cases. "The medical profession should start to think about long-term Covid patients, who were not hospitalized because the priority was serious cases. But here, we will all end up depressed. The others have not. necessarily the same symptoms as me but it's hard for everyone. We would like things to change ".

Faced with these cases, medicine seems lacking. Some patients say they wonder if they are taken seriously. For flu, no longer having a fever, no longer being contagious, this often means for the doctor that his patient is cured. However, this does not necessarily mean that the patient has regained his form before the illness. There may be a more or less long period, convalescence, before the patient has fully recovered. For long-term patients with Covid-19, it is the same mechanism. The length of convalescence varies. The state of form also.

5-10% of Covid-19 patients have long-term symptoms
We must first differentiate between people who have developed severe Covid-19 and who have, for example, been intubated in intensive care. "For these, it is normal to keep painful convalescence symptoms for a long time," explains Charlotte Martin, infectious disease specialist at CHU Saint-Pierre, in Brussels. "And there are people who have had a more moderate Covid, hospitalized or not, without seriousness and who, after the acute phase, fever etc., will essentially keep abnormal fatigability, abnormal shortness of breath at the slightest effort, great athletes who can no longer resume their sport, even to a lesser extent, chest pain. These are the symptoms we hear most often, "continues Charlotte Martin

According to the infectious disease specialist at CHU Saint-Pierre, 5 to 10 of the patients who have developed symptoms of Covid-19 have symptoms of long duration, sometimes lasting several months.

Other viral diseases also have long-lasting effects
Covid 19 is no exception. "It's not the first infectious disease that gives this kind of thing," explains Charlotte Martin. "We have multiple examples. In terms of viruses, mononucleosis can give symptoms that drag on for several months. Dengue, chikungunya are tropical viruses that can also cause abnormal fatigue, joint pain and bizarre pains for several months, ”she continues.

Should "Covid" patients be worried?
"We do not yet have a lot of hindsight to know if 100% of these people will fully recover. What is important is to be able to identify these people to ensure that they do not complicate their Covid. ", explains Charlotte Martin. It is then based on the experience of mononucleosis or chikungunya: "We know that these are people who will be relieved by multidisciplinary care, where we will combine physical activity, nutritional advice, etc. Several health professionals may be needed to support these people, ”she explains.

The infectious disease specialist also reassures on one point: the risk of contagion. In people who develop long-lasting Covid-19, they are unlikely to have remained contagious. Certainly, when performing a PCR test, traces of the virus remain, but one should not worry, according to the infectious disease specialist: "These tests use molecular biology. We do not detect the live virus. We detect its genetic material. . We know that it can remain in the respiratory tract for many weeks without necessarily meaning that we are contagious and that the virus is still viable and can be transmitted to someone else, "reassures Charlotte Martin. Three months later, the risk of being contagious would therefore be almost zero, according to the infectious disease specialist.


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Re: Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

by ENERC » 25/06/20, 19:30

There are people who have had the Covid-19 in the not serious version who have been told "you will never be able to dive again". The subject is circulating on the networks of doctors.
The virus damages the lungs irreversibly and seems to increase the risks when diving.
In any case, if in doubt: if you have had the covid, do not dive with a bottle until we know more about it.
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Re: Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

by Christophe » 25/06/20, 21:58

I'm crazy about diving, I'm paragliding !!!

And to have the same pressure delta as at 5 m deep ... you have to climb ... er at 10 m !! There is room! : Mrgreen:

By cons I already had small sinus problems going down too fast (2000 m of delta in 10-15 minutes) ...

Joking aside, if as you say (a source may be?) asymptomatic forms damage the lungs, this filth from Covid19 will still have a lot of bad surprises in store for us ... we can legitimately wonder if this is not a genocidal weapon in the long term ... : Shock:
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Re: Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

by Christophe » 26/06/20, 02:04

Bad news for today was not enough, here is the 2nd:

New coronavirus could trigger diabetes

There is growing evidence from laboratory studies or from people with Covid-19 that virus attacks insulin producing cells. The new coronavirus could trigger diabetes.


https://www.courrierinternational.com/a ... le-diabete

one can legitimately wonder if it is not a genocidal weapon in the long term ... until...
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Re: Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

by Christophe » 08/12/20, 12:25

PIMS:

More and more children suffering from infectious diseases as a result of Covid

This syndrome has many similarities to Kawasaki disease, so it is treated the same and is perfectly curable.

More people - and therefore more children - were infected with Sars-Cov-2 during the second wave of the epidemic. This increase is therefore not abnormal, but it brings to light this rare syndrome, which went unnoticed during the first wave.

The UZ Brussel thus indicates that it is currently admitting nearly one child affected by this infectious disease per day. "In the first wave, we didn't know it existed", explains Gerlant Van Berlaer, emergency physician and pediatrician at UZ Brussel. "Then we may have missed some cases that were diagnosed differently. But now every pediatrician knows."

The recognizable symptoms are fever, vomiting, diarrhea, swollen hands and feet, rash, numbness, confusion, or even shortness of breath if the heart is affected. PIMS also causes inflammation of various systems, and as a result, children fall ill again after their coronavirus infection has been over for several weeks.
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Re: Covid-19: the "long-term" persistent effects

by Janic » 08/12/20, 14:36

not glop! : Cry:
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