Fires in Australia were preventable

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Fires in Australia were preventable




by GuyGadebois » 26/01/20, 01:20

For many Aboriginal leaders, the crisis facing Australia reveals the failure of blind land management.

..... Member of the Bundjalungs, original guardians of the northern coastal area of ​​New South Wales, Oliver Costello cowardly, not without bitterness: "We have been telling people for a while that big fires are coming. No one listened to us. ”The aboriginal populations, the first known human beings to have populated the mainland of Australia, learned to manage and calm the risks of mega-fires thanks to a specific knowledge of local ecosystems and burns reasoned and carefully controlled.
“Before colonization, the tribes followed the law of the land by managing the relationships of local plants and animals, which have their own identity and their own behavior, with fire. When you burn the right way, you get the right animals, the right plants, and the right people in the right places. When you burn badly, you disrupt these relationships, ”said Oliver Costello, head of Firesticks, an organization that ensures the conservation of Indigenous fire and land management practices.

..... Unlike Western techniques, cultural burning takes a holistic approach synchronized with the seasons, the gestation periods of the animals, the sowing and planting periods. Westerners call this an "ecosystem"; Aborigines use the word "kinship". It is a complex system that determines how living things interact with each other and their roles, responsibilities and obligations to each other and to the earth.

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The breakdown of old management practices has made vegetation more flammable and populations more vulnerable. Already in 1990, researcher Phil Cheney, member of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) published a scientific article on the current management of forest fires in Australia: "Like forests that were only managed by forest services since twenty years have been entrusted to the park management services which have little experience in fire management, the possibility appears to see in the future the large fires more frequent and probably more destructive. The public at large is deprived of the fire management skills that have been painstakingly and painstakingly acquired for over a hundred years. ”

..... Respect for the seasons is another fundamental element. With colonization, the Gregorian calendar became established and the year was divided into four seasons. However, the European notions of summer, autumn, winter and spring are totally inadequate to classify the Australian seasons, which are very diverse. For example, on Wardaman land, west of Katherine town in the Northern Territory, it is currently Yijilg, a late summer marked by heavy precipitation. Some territories see six different seasons per year, others more, others less.

“Westerners use dates and fuel conditions to know when to burn. They do not use the values, the kinship, the cultural laws which govern the territory and very often end up applying the wrong type of fire, deplores Oliver Costello. Often the fires are too hot. They damage and burn the canopy. The ground is therefore found naked, plagued by sunlight. This speeds up the regeneration of shrubs that crowd out grasses, grasses, ferns and other terrestrial species, and allows more combustible material to grow. ”It's a vicious circle.

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by izentrop » 26/01/20, 08:30

Hello,
GuyGadebois wrote:Unlike Western techniques, cultural burning takes a holistic approach synchronized with the seasons
It's very knowing like that, but in the West we also knew how to manage fires before the rural exodus, thanks to extensive farming, goats to limit the bushes, the clouding, to keep grazing areas fireproof ...

Aborigines have certainly succumbed to comfort like everyone else and these firewall management techniques are expensive today.
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by ABC2019 » 26/01/20, 10:07

it is for having posted this kind of thing that I got banned from FS and treated as a troll ... there if you do not say that everything is the fault of the RC you are a heretic !! : Shock:
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by Christophe » 26/01/20, 10:47

Here no inquisition (except against heavy bullshit) ... but analyzes!

As in any disaster, there is usually not a single single cause ...

In my opinion: the pyromaniac man (voluntary or not) is certainly the most responsible ... then comes forest management (no fire barrier) which is still the responsibility of man and only warming (heat wave, lack rain, drought ...) ... which is also indirectly the responsibility of man ... suddenly we can clearly deduce that it is a human fault! So avoidable! : Cheesy:

Because it's not because it's scorching that it burns on its own: the wood's ignition temperature is 250 to 300 ° C ... at 60 ° C of air there is still some margin. . (except natural magnifying glass effect ??? possible ??)

There are now fires in Alaska ...
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by GuyGadebois » 26/01/20, 13:37

izentrop wrote:Aborigines have certainly succumbed to comfort like everyone else and these firewall management techniques are expensive today.

After a genocide, do we rest, right? : roll: Do you realize what you just wrote ????
If not, how much does such a fire cost?
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by Exnihiloest » 26/01/20, 17:30

izentrop wrote:... these firewall management techniques are expensive today.

They are especially fought by greeners like show it.

And it's not for lack of being warned of the risk by scientists, for example in 2015:

"The failure of Victoria's fire management policy is a growing threat to human life, water supply, property and the forest environment, said David Packham in a submission to the Inspector General of State for emergency management. He argued that if the annual target of reducing forest burns, currently at least 5% of public land, "is not doubled or, preferably, tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and the The alpine environment will deteriorate and perhaps be irreparable, and houses and people will be burnt.
He said forest fuel levels had reached their most dangerous level in thousands of years
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 4259h.html

But that does not prevent environmentalists from having demonstrated publicly to reduce these preventive fires!

Well, the planned disaster has arrived.
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by GuyGadebois » 26/01/20, 18:16

Exnihiloest wrote:
izentrop wrote:... these firewall management techniques are expensive today.

They are especially fought by greeners like show it.

Once again we don't give a damn about these assholes. The fires are not due to their stupidity but to the catastrophic management of forests by the incapable, the ignorant and a government below everything. As for the "cost" of these management techniques, where are they ??? Did the Aborigines ask to be paid for the upkeep and management of the forests that they have been doing for free for + or - 50 years?
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by Exnihiloest » 26/01/20, 19:37

GuyGadebois wrote:...
Once again we don't care about these assholes. The fires are not due to their stupidity but to a catastrophic management of the forests ...

We don't give a damn about these "assholes" because it was their demands that resulted in "catastrophic management", they are the root cause. This is environmental lobbying and in front of them, other "assholes", the decision-makers demagos who listen to them despite their political responsibilities towards the inhabitants, including in terms of ecology. It's hard to say no to the hordes of bawlers, we saw it with NDDL.
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by Ahmed » 26/01/20, 19:42

The authorities did not wait for the "awful pressures" of ignorant ecologists to manage in their own way what was done correctly before by real connoisseurs of local nature ...
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by Exnihiloest » 26/01/20, 19:46

Ahmed wrote:The authorities did not wait for the "awful pressures" of ignorant ecologists to manage in their own way what was done correctly before by real connoisseurs of local nature ...

The percentage of 5% has been the criterion for preventive fires for decades. Environmentalists protested because part of the fauna was so affected. And while it should have even increased this percentage because of a drier weather, as requested by David Packham, see above, the opposite was done under environmental pressure.
The result: far more wildlife is destroyed, and humans have died. Greening will kill us all if we let its extremists act.
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