Stove installation? (consultation, opinion and advice)

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Stove installation? (consultation, opinion and advice)




by Sanson » 29/11/12, 12:16

Hello,


I am addressing you for consultation, advice and advice.
In addition, I would also be interested in knowing the right techniques in accordance with the DTU dealing with this scenario.

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A friend to order a stove, its installation and installation from a specialist practicing for 16 years, having a storefront.


His choice was made on a stove, cast iron, of good quality.
An estimate was drawn up on September 1, 2012 mentioning:

    Supply and installation of a 9 KW xxx stove
    • A stove € 1428,9
    • 1 black steel connection 242 €
    • 1 stainless steel pipe in the pipe 188 €
    • 1 finishing plate 85 €
    • Installation of the whole 700 €
    Total 2.645 €

    CI Device replacement.
This quote was granted a few days later and a deposit check of € 1.500 paid.


Meanwhile, finding it curious that:
- The installer did not come to assess the premises,
I inquired about the loan required for this installation and indicated to him that a slight deviation would probably be necessary.

I was told that it was necessary to establish an incombustible support and a lining of the walls with a plaster "Placoflamm".

What I did by:

    - The floor covering being carpeted on a wooden floor, I laid a plywood of 20, which is covered by a plate "Aquapanel" (glass reinforced cement), classified M0 and covered by 2 tiles of 60 x 60 in sandstone .
    - The entourage of the stove, was protected by a double plasterboard type "placoflamm" (Classified M0) on metal frame and isolated by 10 cm of rock wool.

Note, the plastering brick lining, preexisting, was preserved and not touched.


The elements are thus presented:

    - The masonry conduit in prefabricated cement (bushels) of 16 x 16, decoupled from the load-bearing wall of about 4 cm.
    - A lining of plastered bricks 4 cm from the bushels.
    - Another doubling of plasterboard "PlacoFlam" insulated with 10 cm of rock wool.


To the right of the burnt gas outlet, I have provided a "window" for more convenience during connections.


Things are like this during the first visit of our installer.

    - Taking into account the site, the deviation already reported, he left telling me that he had no elbows and that there were none different from 90 °.

A month later, and on numerous reminders, this one was represented ... with two elbows, this time at 45 °, although he assured me that it did not exist.

    - The stove is unloaded, and, at the time of presenting the 3 stainless steel tubes in the chimney, the installer realizes that these are too big…, he therefore leaves, leaving things as they are.
    NB: The discharge diameter is 150 mm in diameter.

Time passes, the reminders also, finally, our installer seems to decide to settle his site: this time, he has tubes of the right dimensions. (125 mm in diameter) and the ad-hoc reducer.

    - He smashes (with large strokes of the mass), the doubling of plastered tanks and 2 bushels, causing all the rubble to fall into the lower free space, places his elbows and reducer, climbs on the roof, slides his 3 m of casing ( in 125 mm) holds them with rock wool scraps, descends nested the whole, readjusted (camouflage?) with, always, rock wool scraps, and .... And it's over!

The papers to sign, the checks to write, half an hour after his arrival, everything is settled.


Invoice

subject: Supply and installation of a wood stove XXX
    - wood stove xx anthracite: € 1.428,94 excl.
      The wood stove XXX was installed by us at the home of Ms. xxx address.
      This device has an efficiency greater than or equal to 70% and a CO level less than or equal to 0,3% and environmental performance index less than or equal to 2 according to the current standard EN 13 229 (or EN13240 or EN14785 or EN12815) giving entitlement to the tax credit in accordance with the decree of December 30, 2011 taken for the application of article 200 quater of the general tax code relating to the expenditure of equipment of the main dwelling.
    The price including the device is 1.528,97 €, this sum having been fully paid on November 28, 2011.
    - Apparent black connection: 242 € HT
    - Stainless steel in the duct: 188 € HT
    - Finishing plate: 85 € HT
    - Installation of the set: 700 € HT

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Certificate of acceptance of work for the implementation of a wood stove

    Ms. x
    Staying at y
    Declare to take possession this day of the work described below:
    Wood stove Type DX anthracite

    The installer : hereby certifies having proceeded with the implementation of the wood stove in accordance with the prescriptions appearing in the notice given to it by the manufacturer and the legislation in force.

    The owner : hereby acknowledges that they are in possession of the operating instructions for the wood stove (placed at the time of delivery to the fireplace) and undertakes to comply with the general and elementary principles of use recommended in said instructions by the maker.
    Do it ..
    The installer The Owner.



I can't help but compare the prices he charges with the prices for the superbrico in the area:
1,50 m of black casing
    him => 242 €
    Brico => 30 €
3 m of stainless steel tubing:
    Him => 188 €
    Brico => 82.50 €
The rose window (which he did not lay)
    Him => 85 €
    Brico => 5,20 €




Rest of the inventory!

Here I am with a stove, but which I am absolutely not sure is installed in the rules of the art, as its physiognomy is ... special!

And I am even less certain of the impossibility that it could have not to set fire to the whole house.
NB: It is stipulated in the instructions for the stove that it must be 40 cm from all surfaces,…. Excluding it is 4 cm from Placo.

In addition, I wonder how can still hold the bushels (more than 3 m), given that there is a lack of 2 of which only remains the posterior side strongly shaken and dismantled.


What do you think ?
I am expectant.


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by Alain G » 29/11/12, 15:43

Hello Sanson!

It borders on total incompetence!


The sheet which surrounds 2 faces of the stove is not high enough to be within standards and the distance is not adequate, the air exchange efficiency cannot be done as it should be!

The black tube, if it is unlined, must not have wool stuck on it!

I hope you have not signed the works!
: Evil:
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by Sanson » 29/11/12, 16:17

Alain G wrote:It borders on total incompetence!
It's my feeling!
(And I repeat, this was done by a reputable company, having a website, several stores and existing for 18 years!)


Alain G wrote:The sheet which surrounds 2 faces of the stove is not high enough to be within the standards
That’s me who did it.
The plaster walls becoming hot, I interposed 2 sandstone tiles (60 x60) at a distance of 1 cm from the partition.
Alain G wrote:and the distance is not adequate, the air exchange efficiency cannot be done as it should be!
The stove weighing 200 kg, more tubes connected, I can not move it.

Alain G wrote:The black tube, if it is unlined, must not have wool stuck on it!
It is however the case, on 30 - 40 good cm.
(The wedges are entirely made with rock wool, both at the end of the casing and at the top of the chimney.

Alain G wrote:I hope you have not signed the works!
: Evil:
I'm afraid it is.
See the copy "Certificate of acceptance of work for the installation of a wood stove" signed by both parties, in which the installer hereby certifies that he has carried out the installation of the wood stove in accordance with the instructions given in the instructions given to it by the manufacturer and the legislation in force.
(Also, backdated ....)

At the risk of repeating myself, I don't know what to do ...
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