Burning wood and salt does not make dioxin

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Burning wood and salt does not make dioxin




by chatelot16 » 08/10/12, 20:23

Hello

I open this topic to answer that
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post241891.html#241891

without extending the off topic

to make dioxin you have to burn plastic giving off chlorine by burning

the salt is sodium chloride, but the salt cannot be broken down into heat, so for a fire at normal temperature the salt will remain in the ash, along with the other mineral salts which are not broken down either

be careful in chemistry nothing is ever 100% true: it is possible to produce hydrochloric acid by heating a mixture of salt and sand (hence its former name of spirit of salt): so it will be possible to find traces of dioxin: with the current means of analysis when we search we always find a little!

but between finding traces, and having a real pollution there is a difference

the production of chlorine with salt and silica is done only at very high temperature therefore with a fire strong enough to destroy any dioxin

the dioxin production would be done in a fire not hot enough ... so not hot enough either to make chlorine with salt and silica

alas i don't have a precise figure: so don't bother to find it
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by dedeleco » 08/10/12, 20:39

I must then find the thesis of studies of Irish diseases having burned all their lives with peat by the sea full of salt, and therefore having breathed dioxin, which even in traces is very harmful, long term !!

In the flames the salt has a sodium color separated from the chlorine, even if in small quantity, capable of making chlorine compounds of all kinds, with the molecules of wood?

If we did a lot of dioxin, then we would die all around the fires quickly, which is not the case, in the cities by the sea !!
So okay, not gigantic, but quite a few times more dioxin, compared to what gives wood without burnt salt.
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by Alex6 » 08/10/12, 20:48

Hello,

The melting point of sodium chloride is 800 ° C and boiling point 1460 ° C.

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by chatelot16 » 08/10/12, 20:54

do not mix everything: peat is not wood

wood has little reason to retain salt, even if it has soaked in seawater

wood does not contain sand

wood burns easily at a sufficient temperature to decompose dioxin completely

so the production of dioxin with wood that has seen sea water must be very rare

peat is a sponge which can retain more salt, which can contain sand, which burns at low temperature ... so there is more risk
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by dedeleco » 08/10/12, 21:36

We pretty much agree, but on a beach with sand, the wood gathered to clean the beach, as I have seen a very large number of times, burns with sand, at low temperature, in the wind, making more dioxin than unsalted wood.

And often the wind takes everything inland !!
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by roy1361 » 08/10/12, 21:52

Well I don't care paske at home we have no salt water, and more chui in altitude, so there is only good wood that burns well.

I prout on the tramps that pick up rotten wood in the water and that piss us off to burn it in pep incinerators ...

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(so how does it happen to be able to discuss this?)
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Re: burning wood and salt does not make dioxin




by Obamot » 08/10/12, 23:09

lol, roy1361 thank you, i laughed a lot. Fortunately there are some who follow ... : Cheesy:

chatelot16 wrote:Hello

I open this topic to answer that

Poor Chatelot who does not see the smiley and does not know the second degree:

dedeleco wrote:Much worse, in the 83, almost all have collected the gratis woods deposited on the beaches, very salted, to burn them on these beaches or in their house, which is full of dioxins that we all breathe and eat once deposited in the earth, for years

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post235613.html#235613

dedeleco wrote:[...] You are as clogged as the average Frenchman who collected lots of free wood from the last storm on a beach by the sea yesterday and who, when I explained to him that by burning this solid wood at home sea ​​salt with chlorine to make dioxin, it was flooded with dioxin he, his children and all the neighborhood, cursed at me, denied [...]

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post217420.html#217420

dedeleco wrote:(apart from slight evaporation) is very harmful, because you make dioxins and other pollutions!
Burn wood leaving seawater full of salt (NACl) with this chlorine made of dioxin also and other pollution too !!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post180698.html#180698

dedeleco wrote:The remark on dioxins is important: you should never burn wood that has soaked in seawater, otherwise astronomical dioxin levels! By the sea on this subject beware of your neighbors who are dioxin !!!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post156153.html#156153

dedeleco wrote:[...] observed result: [b] we are more resistant to dioxins and PCBs than a lot of animals [...]

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post218759.html#218759

Chatelot you know, I wanted to tell you, ... oooh and then no. : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:
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by Obamot » 08/10/12, 23:18

lol, roy1361 thank you, i laughed a lot. Fortunately there are some who follow ... : Cheesy:

chatelot16 wrote:Hello

I open this topic to answer that

Image Poor Chatelot, who does not see the smileys, the second degree, shoots himself in the foot, and in that of his "protégé", by which he is put back in place ahahahaah
=> pathetic, and very hilarious! I did not expect it, am collapsed laughing under the table!

... : Arrowd: : Arrowd: : Arrowd: Image

dedeleco wrote:Much worse, in the 83, almost all have collected the gratis woods deposited on the beaches, very salted, to burn them on these beaches or in their house, which is full of dioxins that we all breathe and eat once deposited in the earth, for years

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post235613.html#235613

dedeleco wrote:[...] You are as clogged as the average Frenchman who collected lots of free wood from the last storm on a beach by the sea yesterday and who, when I explained to him that by burning this solid wood at home sea ​​salt with chlorine to make dioxin, it was flooded with dioxin he, his children and all the neighborhood, cursed at me, denied [...]

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post217420.html#217420

dedeleco wrote:(apart from slight evaporation) is very harmful, because you make dioxins and other pollutions!
Burn wood leaving seawater full of salt (NACl) with this chlorine made of dioxin also and other pollution too !!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post180698.html#180698

dedeleco wrote:The remark on dioxins is important: you should never burn wood that has soaked in seawater, otherwise astronomical dioxin levels! By the sea on this subject beware of your neighbors who are dioxin !!!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post156153.html#156153

dedeleco wrote:[...] observed result: [b] we are more resistant to dioxins and PCBs than a lot of animals [...]

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post218759.html#218759

I stop there because there are several pages hihhihihihihihihihihihihihi

Chatelot you know, I wanted to tell you, ... oooh and then no. : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:
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by chatelot16 » 08/10/12, 23:53

don't worry when i burn wood it heats more than 2 degree

I think that this story of salt which makes dioxin is an absurdity, but that it was useless to encourage the retropenetration of Drosophila on the subject of the price of pelet

make an inventory of post or dedeleco denounces this danger is not used for much because I do not remember having read the same thing from another source

therefore await the response of those who know
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by Obamot » 09/10/12, 00:06

chatelot16 wrote:I think this story of salt that makes dioxin is stupid


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