The spontaneous flow heat pump

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The spontaneous flow heat pump




by RealWheel » 23/12/11, 11:31

The COP of this machine is positive and of the order of 500. The COP does not respond to Carnot's thermodynamic calculation and the machine is not superunit (COE = 000 no power amplification).

The imbalance created by an electric field modifies the statistical distribution of shocks on the walls, thereby creating a hot wall and a cold wall.

For a very low consumption of electrical energy (the leaks linked to the polarization of the plate), a very significant heat transfer is obtained.

This process could constitute the royal road par excellence for air conditioning and space heating.

Small precision, the inventor is a French academic.

My personal opinion: it is unfortunate that this invention was denigrated on the merits and that the personal image of this inventor was damaged. I believe his invention is achievable and I reiterate my unwavering support.

http://www.energythic.com/view.php?node=73
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Re: The spontaneous flow heat pump




by RealWheel » 23/12/11, 13:25

This machine therefore produces 500 times more cold or heat than it consumes electrical energy.

In other words, 1 W of electrical energy would produce a heating power of 500 KW!
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by dedeleco » 23/12/11, 13:41

Another unclear form of Maxwell's demon bringing fast and hot molecules to let their energy in a corner, between plates at 50 microns in a large electric field and 1000V between (written 10 million volts / cm, in contradiction with the 1000V on 0,05mm, technically impossible, without breakdown or enormous current leaks, millions of times greater than the microampere per m2 indicated in an unknown gas)) and leaving the cold elsewhere, by escaping the principle of Carnot:
The principle consists in attracting the neutral molecules of gas on a plate called "electrostatic" to accelerate them and heat the plate. An intense electric field is applied in a micro-hole capacitor which covers the plate. Neutral molecules are polarized and accelerated when they enter these micro-holes where the intense electric field resides. Each molecule accelerates and absorbs electrical energy when it enters a hole, but it decelerates and returns this same amount of energy when it leaves the hole. Energy is continuously given and taken up by the molecules back and forth between the plates, resulting in zero overall consumption.
The gaseous fluid no longer undergoes any change in thermodynamic state, unlike all other heat pump processes. There remains a thermodynamic cycle at the level of each gas molecule, but not at the level of all molecules.


derails completely, because the energy balance is very complex (impact on walls and dissipation in a gas) and
a thermodynamic cycle at the level of each gas molecule
does not make sense, because thermodynamics exists only with a very large number of molecules and therefore this process is smoky, not credible, pretending to make a demon of Maxwell, once again, without being aware of dissipative processes detailed which reduce this idea to pure dream. !!

Those who will realize or try, will discover that they get tired for nothing, at best discover dissipative mechanisms that they had neglected.

Finally with:
COP ... based on a reasonable assumption on leakage currents, would be around 500.

shows that the person concerned never observed the breakdowns in the gases, nor even observed lightning on thunderstorm days !!

This system with much lower voltages between two separate plates of 50 microns, can be easily tested by tinkering for almost nothing, and will see that it follows the Carnot principle, as it strongly resembles the Seebeck-Peltier effect in semiconductors sold everywhere for the general public in coolers (electron gas or holes in an electric field in the semiconductor).
So nothing new and wrong numbers.
It’s even a nice exercise for physics exam or competition to test the assimilation of knowledge of physics on a less usual situation.
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by RealWheel » 23/12/11, 13:51

It seems quite plausible to me to modify the statistical distribution of the shocks on the walls by means of a unidirectional electric field.

The only energy consumed and linked to leakage is to maintain the stability of an electric field which creates an imbalance of kinetic energy for the molecules located near the wall. This instability propagates step by step to all of the molecules contained between the two walls, thereby generating heat transfer.

Having built mechanical machines creating an unstable state, I remain convinced that this machine can work.

If you have ideas to design such a machine, do not hesitate to apply them, you will then be the patent holder for countries other than France.
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by dedeleco » 23/12/11, 14:14

Reread what I wrote and with great care, the basic knowledge on semiconductors, electron gases or holes with the Peltier Seebeck effect which is very similar, to read on google and wikipedia, an armada of articles since 1927, beginning of quantum mechanics, essential for understanding !!
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by elephant » 23/12/11, 23:06

Grrrrr! Realwheel ..

if, instead of wasting your time trying to convert ignorant populations of our ilk, you came back down to your workshop to prove to us that you are right.

Nothing would make us happier if you put our nose in our c..a (censored) using a machine that WORKS.

So we would gladly put on an old bag and walk barefoot, rope around our neck on the way to Canossa.

I also wonder why Deledeco and Obamot use their keyboards to answer you.
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by antoinet111 » 24/12/11, 12:38

it's funny, I do the same analysis for ecnaroui
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by dedeleco » 24/12/11, 13:16

All are perfectly clear:
monumental errors of elementary reasoning !!!

ecnaroui is of a much lower level of error, than the various perpetual movements, with enormous basic errors !!!

In addition the interested parties refuse to respond with precision to remarks of elementary common sense !!! which shows that their subconscious understood that they were wrong, but this subconscious refuses to be wrong !!!
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by phil53 » 24/12/11, 18:25

Elephant is right, why Dedelco and others waste your time trying to convince some of the nonsense they write.
A simple rectification should suffice (at the head of the thread).
Then a small symbol one - in a red circle for example would be affixed by a moderator in front of the title.

Then let these believers develop their subject within them to give them a chance to prove themselves by telling them by making a machine that works.
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by chatelot16 » 25/12/11, 12:59

dedeleco is right to answer! not to convince the author, it's mission impossible, but to enlighten all those who read us and avoid anyone losing time believing

In another forum perpetual movement subjects are closed systematically, and often without explanation, which may lead some people to believe in a plot: good explanations are the best way
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