Was there an excess mortality in 2020 or not? ***

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Was there an excess mortality in 2020?

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NOT
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45%
YES, low (<5%)
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10%
Yes, strong (from 5 to 10%)
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34%
Yes, very strong (more than 10%)
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3%
Yes, (extremely strong (over 20%)
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3%
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by Obamot » 06/08/21, 20:09

*** (taking into account weighted data over five years)

Under the framework of curves of phantasmagoric infections based almost exclusively on stPCR tests which absolutely do not allow to have reliable data, which is controversial, as long as all serious scientists have ruled out being able to one day use the 2020 statistics- 2021 due to various vices and biases.

After the incredible saga of some, who have never ceased to confuse mortality with hospital lethality, while only the latter has been able to guarantee reliable figures (then repeated on euromomo, for once you know how I take it!)

I propose to put an end to this thorny question once and for all:

Was there excess mortality from covid in 2020, or not?

This thread is not an easy debate, because it also conceals a political stake (even a political failure) ...
I decided to do it out of respect for the memory of the victims (and for those who have consequences too.) We owe them that!

It has been a year and a half since the battle rages between those who affirm that YES and those who are more cautious, qualify the sad 'score'.
Faced with those who consider that NO.

Attention, in this thread will be tolerated only the well-founded and substantiated arguments if you assert anything!

So comment and vote, but you are obliged to provide tangible and indisputable proof of what you are saying.

This is the first thread entirely dedicated to scientific debate but where dissensus is preferred to consensus.

Anything that is not substantiated will only be considered “opinions”. And in this case, please abstain from voting.

To be fair play, and take into account the evolution of the debates, everyone can correct their vote for 90 days.
But thank you for announcing what you voted in clear, and if applicable, why you are changing your vote (always for fair play)
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by sicetaitsimple » 06/08/21, 21:06

A "survey" on excess mortality in 2020 : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: ?
This guy is really nuts.
INSEE has already largely answered the question.
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by Obamot » 06/08/21, 21:38

Opinion => no value.

You're talking about YOU there. You kept bitching, questioning this question without ever bringing anything concrete. Apart from innuendos or insults, as you do here ... And besides, the positions to which you refer have changed! So why lie to each other. This thread is precisely there so that a position can be taken. She will be. And solidly. With where without your “participation” or your insults (which will be short-lived).

You claim it has already been done. You will see that it is not. Go take the stats from INSEE and we'll take them down for you.
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by ABC2019 » 06/08/21, 22:57

The question is irrelevant, since the actual mortality has been greatly reduced by the measures taken: in countries like Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, the excess mortality has been zero, but not because the virus was not dangerous, simply because the measures taken were very strong. To deduce that it was not worth taking action is totally stupid: we KNOW that there has been a high excess mortality in all the places where we have let ourselves be overwhelmed by the virus - this is not the case of France as a whole, but that was precisely what we wanted to avoid.
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by Obamot » 06/08/21, 23:46

Opinion => no value.

Am disappointed ( : Lol: )

While you kept claiming to be "science.", That you quibble on tenths of a percent, and you in particular ABC2019, claimed to be strictly mathematical ... here is your favorite subject served on a platter and you run off, while it should delight you! Image

Yes ! Instead, you all settle for idle claims, arching hind legs, defensive stance ...
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 07/08/21, 03:20

ABC2019 wrote: We KNOW that there has been a high excess mortality in all the places where we have let ourselves be overwhelmed by the virus

Of course Bozo, of course ...
As in Sweden:
Sweden.PNG
Sweden.PNG (38.97 KiB) Viewed 3563 times

https://knoema.fr/atlas/Su%c3%a8de/topi ... alit%c3%a9
There is an explosion of deaths in 2020 in this country which has not confined and has been overwhelmed by the virus. : Mrgreen:
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by ABC2019 » 07/08/21, 05:10

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
ABC2019 wrote: We KNOW that there has been a high excess mortality in all the places where we have let ourselves be overwhelmed by the virus

Of course Bozo, of course ...
As in Sweden:
Sweden.PNG
https://knoema.fr/atlas/Su%c3%a8de/topi ... alit%c3%a9
There is an explosion of deaths in 2020 in this country which has not confined and has been overwhelmed by the virus. : Mrgreen:

yes your graph shows indeed an excess mortality compared to the downward trend of the last previous years, which is itself due to the increase in life expectancy. But Sweden is not the worst case - and I did not say anywhere that strict confinements were necessary to control the epidemic, it depends on the country and the way of life.
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by ABC2019 » 07/08/21, 06:11

in fact it does not even seem that it is real data but rather forecasts established in 2019, so obviously without taking into account the coronavirus

https://population.un.org/wpp/

another manipulation or a huge blunder of guignoldebois?
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by Janic » 07/08/21, 07:36

abcon
it depends on the country and the way of life. Take a look at Latin American countries for example.
just big bastard, do not mix what is so different.
For now, this is happening in OUR country, regardless of the measures taken elsewhere. AND there you are null as usual '. : Evil: Roughly speaking, you are the mutant covid of this site and since you parasitize it, that you infect it, there is an excess mortality of participants! : Evil:
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by ABC2019 » 07/08/21, 08:21

owiii bunnyrabbit : Mrgreen:
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