Why does homeopathy scare big pharma?

[Janic]

why does H trigger so much animosity among those who defend the petrochemical industry of drugs, whether they are individuals or industrialists in this part?
We can realize that, as much among for as among those against this medicine, none of the speakers is a doctor, at a pinch more or less in relation with the medical profession or simply interested in the subject.
Indeed, of what, and not of whom, is this chemical industry afraid?
We can compare this to another industry (the same in reality): that of agricultural petrochemicals concerning both vegetation and livestock. Following a food culture reduced to the small population, this agriculture was mainly for family use, overproduction going to the surrounding medium-sized towns.
No talk about productivity, efficiency, profitability, etc ... and that not centuries ago but only a few decades ago. But things have changed with the petrochemical industrial development which saw there a huge outlet and succeeded to convince them that so much effort made for such a low income was a waste of energy and money and therefore that these peasants had to modernize, invest and increase their yields in order to earn money. money as in the cities, at the merchants.
Currently, we see that the bride was too beautiful and that this juicy market (except for rare farmers, the others are in debt up to their necks. The machines, fertilizers, seeds that have to be bought hardly give them any money. what to survive, no better than a few generations before this agricultural industrialization.
The lands are sick, the people are sick and they have become dependent: and who benefits from this sick manna? the chemical industry and no one else… well if the stock market investors!
But, there is a but, farmers, ranchers, suddenly realize that they have been trapped by beautiful promises, little or never kept, and that this has led them to become the modern slaves of an industry. who has no regard for humans in general and therefore farmers in particular.
It is the beginning of organic farming where these rebels to the system refuse to continue in this dead end, and therefore who give up buying all these destructive products of life and health of plants and animals, including humans.
Any industrialist in any production sector has two attitudes to adopt;
contempt for the tiny refractory minority, which does not overshadow them, these obscure and rankless children. Or react by saying to oneself that their reactionary speech is likely to make followers and that, out of prudence, they must be muzzled by another speech that wants to be progressive.
But what these industrialists do not master, on the other hand, is popular opinion which, through culture, indifference, allowed itself to be bamboozled, before reacting to these conditions.
So we are increasingly seeing a step backwards, a retro-pedaling, as much among farmers as among consumers to whom all these fine speeches of agrochemicals as of pharmaco-chemistry, have less and less hold on individuals. Hence the growing success of organic farming, but also of so-called alternative medicine, in parallel moreover.
The new phenomenon which partly explains this explosion of a refusal of this industrial control over individuals is: social networks which cannot be controlled by these industrial mastodons (for the moment in any case and therefore we must take advantage of this door ajar before it closes) It is no longer the books and magazines which slowly disseminated the news, which say, but these networks which, at the speed of light, bring new knowledge into homes. , yesterday reserved for small groups of interested and disparaged individuals (the famous conspiracy theory) And that scares these industrialists of slow death.

And the H what about? It is one of those medicines put under wraps by these big pharma, with its campaigns of denigration (it is enough for those who doubt it to read these on this forum) but that more and more populations want to know and finally use.
I experienced, half a century ago, the difficulty of finding a store selling organic, difficult to find a homeopathic doctor and even more difficult to find a pharmacy offering homeopathy.
Currently, all pharmacies clearly announce that they sell h, the plates of the doctors announce more and more their mode of care, beyond the official, the organic stores explode in quantity. The world is changing and evolving, but to the detriment of this industrial chemical industry, in all sectors of everyday life.
This is what petrochemicals are afraid of, not only in terms of synthetic health care, but more generally the industry itself and its millions of jobs, of course, but also and above all, its huge profits, facts on the backs of the people who have been so gullible during these decades, and who have brought them so much money.
Will they give up the place, without a fight? No, these social networks are also for them a huge means of counterattacking with all their influencers (most of them in good faith, the majority ignorant of their subjects, - but that's not what we are asking them, any more than 'a sales representative for his products - like the brown shirts of Nazism for that matter) hence all these sects which claim and call themselves "scientists" holding a pseudo truth, one more new religion.

So is H scientifically credible or is it in the field, in patients?
To be continued!

[ABC2019]

the answers to your "why" are simple, and were formalized by Darwin 150 years ago: what is successful is what allows populations to develop - for the good reason that if it does not allow it, well that has no success.

Industrial agriculture has developed because it has considerably increased agricultural productivity and therefore made it possible to feed many more humans: that it pollutes the soil, that it is based on finite resources, that does not prevent anything, any more than you will not prevent yeasts from metabolizing glucose and producing alcohol which will eventually kill them. It's happening and that's it.

And if the H. had real action to keep people alive, I have no doubt that it would be recognized like all other sciences. Concluded in what you want ... about human psychology, you can also ask yourself why myths, religions, and superstitions endure through the ages. There is probably an indirect selective advantage (by building communities uniting around myths, Hariri says interesting things about it), but which does not necessarily depend on real effectiveness.

[Rajqawee]

Frankly ....

Big Pharma is absolutely, but absolutely not afraid of homeopathy. Where does it come from?

Seriously, most homeopathy consumed and sold in pharmacies is produced by labs of the same Big Pharma ...

Big Pharma sells anything and everything from slimming cream to supernatural makeup, antibiotics to hydroalcoholic gel, why would they be afraid of an extra product? Besides, they sell it!

[ABC2019]

it's just the world according to Janic that's all

But it's true it's absurd vision, if you think that the pharmaceutical industry is ready to sell anything to make money, why would it not be ready to sell H? at the price of sugar it still makes a good profit, since there is no need to finance research to develop new molecules, since as everyone knows "it does not obey the same standards as A." , eh, so no need to bother .. with expensive research and tests ...

[Rajqawee]

I wasn't discussing the "substance" of homeopathy. My opinion is that it is placebo. This opinion is not shared by all, why not!

I think that we have more important problems on the work plan of our societies than this one

On the other hand, the view that mega labs are afraid of these products, really, I do not understand.

[ABC2019]

I wasn't discussing the "substance" of homeopathy. My opinion is that it is placebo. This opinion is not shared by all, why not!

I wasn't discussing the substantive efficiency either, at least not in this answer;); I was just pointing out that since we do not ask to justify the effect by expensive studies, or complex molecules to manufacture and extract, it is still fairly easy to make benefit;

[Janic]

Rajqawee »01/12/20, 12:21

Frankly ....
Big Pharma is absolutely, but absolutely not afraid of homeopathy. Where does it come from?

Good questions!
It is not specific to medicine, but to any industry facing any kind of competition. Hence my comparison with agriculture!

Seriously, most homeopathy consumed and sold in pharmacies is produced by labs of the same Big Pharma ...

This confusion is frequent! Saying big is to distinguish one type of industry from another (little) small, both being indeed pharma regardless of their size.
For example, for the French automobile industry, it goes from Renault (for example!) To Ligier. Thus the manufacturers of heat engines are "afraid" of the rise of electricity for their specific industry, just as the automobile has been for the horse-drawn car.

Big Pharma sells anything and everything from slimming cream to supernatural makeup, antibiotics to hydroalcoholic gel, why would they be afraid of an extra product? Besides, they sell it!

Good reasoning! This is called diversification as tobacconists (not postage stamp offices) have diversified to avoid their disappearance. The objective being the disappearance of the sale of TOBACCO, not to prohibit the sale of stamps or newspapers. And this is being done gradually through information campaigns on its dangers and the taking of substitutes, but its purpose is to eventually disappear.

I wasn't discussing the "substance" of homeopathy. My opinion is that it is placebo. This opinion is not shared by all, why not!

Precisely, the opinions that people have of it come from campaigns of denigration from medical petrochemicals, it is not news, but advertising, marketing. The only way to go beyond a simple opinion is to experience it for yourself like a child who says that spinach (or anything else!) Is not good (therefore an opinion) which can change by tasting it. After we like it or not, but not before!

I think that we have more important problems on the work plan of our societies than this one

If the life and health of populations are less important than…. What what? See the fear, for their health precisely, what causes this covid virus? If that's not important what will be for all those in panic?

On the other hand, the view that mega labs are afraid of these products, really, I do not understand.

As with any industrial (we have to see beyond the simple pretext of dealing with health) which is afraid of losing market share, no more, no less!
There are 102.000 general practitioners in France including about 5.000 homeopaths (regardless of non-H who prescribe and self-medication) or 5%, which is little and a lot in turnover in billions worldwide (116.000 billion euros against 60 billion in France) or nearly 3 billion lack of turnover in France or 5.800 billion in the world. We are no longer in Pasteur's DIY at the back of his "garage".

[ABC2019]

to get the right numbers:

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... 55770.html

[Janic]

a drop of water in the ocean!

[Rajqawee]

I still don't understand, suddenly, Janic. Why would products sold by the same scare the former? On the contrary, I have the impression that they have recovered new market share with that.