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France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by izentrop » 09/05/18, 00:29

Last November, a woman aged 32 died of measles in Poitiers. She was not vaccinated. This case has revived the debate around the obligation of vaccination ...
In its study entitled "Resistance to vaccinations: from a public health challenge to a social issue", published on March 22 in the 2016-2017 report of the Interministerial Mission for Vigilance and the Fight against Sectarian Abuses (Miviludes) , the doctor in geopolitics Lucie Guimier investigated the causes of this mistrust ...

The Saint-Pius-X fraternity and anthroposophy pointed out ...
The epidemic has really spread from schools and holiday camps of the Fraternité Saint-Pie-X ", explains Lucie Guimier to Allodocteurs.fr. According to the specialist," the rapid spread of measles on a scale intra-family in the network of Lefebvriste obedience obviously results from an insufficient vaccination coverage of the children of the community, deficiencies possibly linked to the spiritual aspirations of their family ".
... Netherlands, one of the original lands of anthroposophy. "In the spring of 2008, an epidemic of measles broke out in an anthroposophical school […] in The Hague (Netherlands). Of the 34 affected children, 31 were not vaccinated. Shortly after, an epidemic was observed in in another anthroposophic school in the country, causing 16 cases. In both establishments, the vaccination coverage rate is around 65%, when the national average reaches 93%, "she explains.
... Traditionalist Catholicism and Anthroposophy therefore share the same distrust of vaccination. "For believers, illness is a divine punishment. For non-believers, it is a necessary evil. For these two groups, it is a matter of spirituality taken to the extreme", explains Lucie Guimier.
... Professor Henri Joyeux, champion of anti-vaccine ideology. ... Today, Professor Joyeux regularly gives conferences: in three years, he has conquered a large and loyal audience. "The audience that adheres to his speech is a mixture of people claiming a 'deep ecology' and people quite close to the far right. A fairly large part of whom are Catholics. The common thread is a conservative ideology and a fear of transhumanism ", specifies Lucie Guimier.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/soign ... 35145.html
The leaders are identified. These preachers trust their right to manipulate the opinion of those who do not take the time to sharpen their critical thinking.
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by phil53 » 09/05/18, 07:02

I am against the vaccination to excess and yet I am neither catho fundamentalist, nor extreme right nor extreme ecologist and Pr Joyeux is not my guru far from it.
So this explanation blah, an intox or it is made by incompetents.
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by izentrop » 09/05/18, 07:59

Hello,
phil53 wrote:I am against excessive vaccination ...
This is not the case in France, or would it be necessary to explain?
The vaccination obligation was put in place because of insufficient coverage.

Pertussis and measles are not benign and should not do as much damage.
Measles is characteristic of the vaccination rate of the population, the geography of vaccination in France shows it well:

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by Janic » 09/05/18, 08:27

... Henri Joyeux, advocate of anti-vaccine ideology. ... Today, Professor Joyeux regularly gives conferences: in three years, he has conquered a large and loyal audience. "The audience that adheres to his speech is a mixture of people claiming a 'deep ecology' and people quite close to the far right. A fairly large part of whom are Catholics. The common thread is a conservative ideology and a fear of transhumanism", specifies Lucie Guimier.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/soign ... 35145.html
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Some fake news says today! what does the official speech say?
http://invs.santepubliquefrance.fr/Doss ... vrier-2018
Measles outbreak in France. Update of monitoring data to 20 February 2018.
Provisional data at the date of the analysis / preliminary data
From 1er January 2008 to 31 December 2017, more than 24 500 cases of measles have been reported in France (of which nearly 15 000 cases for the year only 2011). After falling sharply in 2012, the number of reported cases remained stable in 2013 and 2014 (respectively 859, 259 and 267 cases). In 2015, the number of cases increased again (364 case), in connection with an important epidemic outbreak in Alsace (230 case). In 2016, a lower circulation of the measles virus was noted with only 79 reported cases, but it intensified in 2017 with a total of 519 reported cases, mainly related to epidemic outbreaks in Lorraine, New Aquitaine and Occitanie (for more information: 2017 measles epidemiological assessment).
During these ten years, more than 1 500 of these cases presented with severe pneumonitis, 38 a neurological complication (35 encephalitis, 1 myelitis, 2 Guillain-Barré) and 11 died. But 9 additional deaths could be identified during the analysis of death certificates received at Inserm CépiDC between 2008 and 2014, bringing to 20 the total number of measles deaths occurring during the 2008-2017 period.
At 20 February 2018, with 429 cases reported since the beginning of the year, the incidence was multiplied by 7 compared to that observed over the same period in 2017 (Fig. 1), in connection with an important epidemic outbreak in new Aquitaine (70% of reported cases) which persists since November 2017. Nineteen cases had to be hospitalized in a context of severe pneumonia, including 6 in intensive care. AMONG THE LATEST CASES, A YOUNG WOMAN, NOT VACCINATED, HAS BEEN DECEDED AT THE AGE OF 32 YEARS, BEING AT 21 THE NUMBER OF DEATHS PER MEASLES FROM 2008. In addition, a case of neonatal measles was reported in a neonate of an unvaccinated pregnant woman born prematurely at 33 weeks of ammenorrhea. Several outbreaks of clustered cases are currently reported in precarious communities with little or no immunization, but also in nurseries, schools and care facilities.
(read all the article obviously!)
24500 cases of measles reported in 10 years, which is an average of 2 450 cases per year, but the figures given above are 859,259, 267, 364,230 79,519 cases (which makes a maximum annual average of 368 case and not 2450) and 11 deaths, then 20, in 10 years is between 1 and 2 deaths per year for 66 million inhabitants without distinction between deaths of unvaccinated and vaccinated. What a deadly epidemic actually! and, oh miracle, 1 death case unvaccinated (does this mean that all the cases and deaths observed are in the vaccinated?)
The leaders are identified. These preachers trust their right to manipulate the opinion of those who do not take the time to sharpen their critical thinking.
Who manipulates opinion? Where is a true critical spirit hiding?
You pass your convictions, it's your right, but less ethical the passage of lies (as does this article as you did for Wakefield who was cleared by a criminal judgment) and so Happy, which are favorable to vaccinationsbut separate and in case of real utility. Your pseudo scientific superstition has nothing to envy to religious superstitions! : Evil:

[*] And at the same time it's between 1 and 2 million cancer deaths for which the obsessive search for a vaccine has fallen white !!! : Cry:
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by Janic » 09/05/18, 10:51

Lucie Guimier: "Accepting or refusing a vaccine is a way of conceiving and finding a place in society"
would it be provaccins? Who knows!

His analysis, as a geographer, not as a biologist, is coherent since relying on some historical realities, but not all obviously. Certainly the general policy, the choices of life, the ideals play a big role in the choices of society, but that is not all! The right of conscience is much more important and valuable than any theoretical discourse on the merits or not of vaccinations or any other "humanist" action.
The Nuremberg Code, following the horrors of the Nazi doctors, establishes this principle ethical :
http://www.frqs.gouv.qc.ca/documents/10 ... 8f14f4e6d5
The Nuremberg Code - 1947
The Nuremberg Code identifies informed consent as a prerequisite absolute conducting research involving human subjects. 1. VOLUNTARY CONSENT OF THE HUMAN SUBJECT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. This means that the person concerned must have full legal capacity to consent: that he must be left free to decide, without the intervention of any element of fraud, of constraint, trickery, deception or other forms of coercion or coercion. It must also be sufficiently informed, and know the full scope of the experiment practiced on it, in order to be able to measure the effect of its decision. Before the experimental subject accepts, it must therefore be informed exactly on the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment, as well as the methods and means employed, the dangers and risks involved; and the consequences for his health or person that may result from his participation in this experience. The obligation and responsibility to assess the conditions under which the subject gives his or her consent lies with the person who initiates and directs the experiments or works there. This obligation and responsibility is attached to this person, who can not transmit them to anyone else without being prosecuted.

Any obligation without informed consent is in fact opposed to ethics as with French legislation Moreover, before these obligations.

Some pearls in his speech:
These families have been more affected by the 2008-2012 measles epidemic than those who protected their children with the MMR vaccine.
False of course! China has one of the highest rates of 99% vaccinations and yet:
"Another recent study, published in the World Health Organization Bulletin (an authoritative source), looked at the latest measles outbreaks throughout China and found that 707 measles outbreaks had occurred in the world. country between 2009 and 2012, with a strong upward trend in 2013: "The number of measles cases reported during 10's first 2013 months, 26.443, was three times higher than reported cases throughout all year 2012. "

We do not all have the same representations of risk: for some, it will be contained in the disease, for others it will be in the vaccine!
Elementary my dear Watson !

This can be illustrated by an easily observable fact: have you ever met a person who felt happy that he had not contracted an illness following a vaccine?
As a low level, difficult to do better! Indeed, what scientific knowledge about vaccines has the population of a country: no! She relies on health managers who depend on pharmaceutical lobbies that dogmatize on this topic: "I'm right, you know nothing about it" So happy to have been vaccinated or happy to have good health and a system effective immune that is independent of vaccines?

The answer is likely to be negative. On the other hand, rare vaccine accidents are particularly overrepresented, especially on the Internet.
Obviously! Pharmacovigilance counts only between 1 and 10% of side effect reports serious vaccines or drugs from elsewhere. So these are few, if any, officially recognized and it is therefore the victims who make known these cases not listed. Elementary, again, my dear Wats ..., my dear doctoral student in geography

In addition, it is quite common for people affected by unexplained illnesses to blame their unfortunate situation for such a vaccine, with no evidence other than their conviction or that of those around them.
Another lie or ignorance. Studies and reports from all over the world show the opposite. We must stop this Franco-French navelism!

Among these detractors, the oncologist Henri Joyeux - former president of the association Familles de France - has enjoyed considerable popularity after launching, in May 2015, a particularly anxiety-provoking petition advocating the dangers of certain vaccinations. He was struck off the 2016 Medical Association for his controversial positions. another mistake or lie! There are two dimensions that must be taken into account: on the one hand, the offense of opinion sanctioned by an unofficial body, ie the College of Physicians, and not for professional misconduct, of which it is only their role. and the attack on the physical integrity of individuals, which has never been the case, and which alone can be sanctioned by the law. Heaps of other doctors have also been written off for the offense of opinion, which casts doubt on the integrity of a body supposed to defend the health of the sick, not its corporation.

Other stupidity so! Happy is for vaccinationsbut not for vaccine fanaticism at any cost!
"United States: in 1950 a child received up to 5 vaccines separated before the age of 6 years.
In 2018, the CDC and the Academy of Pediatrics recommend that your child receive 68 vaccines by the age of 18. "

This is a vaccine madness that makes the happiness of pharmaceutical lobbies and they would have almost 200 under the elbow.

In addition to the resistance of populations, certain contemporary geopolitical contexts favor the return of epidemics that were thought to have been overcome. In Syria, for example, no case of indigenous poliovirus - the polio virus - had been registered since 1995. But the context of civil war has led to a drop in the coverage of Syrian children, which was estimated at 52% in 2012, and the country has returned to the pathogen on its territory since 2013.
No one as an argument! Syria, like more and more southern Mediterranean countries, has adopted general hygiene conditions such as tap water, waste water systems, a better food mode, etc., all things destroyed by the wars and so back to the conditions favoring diseases like polio. Moreover, and it is there that this speech that a child of 12 years could recognize as fallacious, is that the official French speech claims that 95% of vaccinated to protect populations and therefore 52 % protected little or no population and yet no more outbreaks so far.

This evolution was initiated by the former Minister of Health, Marisol Touraine, who organized 2016 in the summer a wide consultation to gather the opinion of citizens and health professionals on how to improve the vaccination policy.
A vast swagger, Marisol Touraine being totally incompetent in matters of Health! But even though :

The conclusions of the juries of citizens and health professionals were divergent and in that they represent the lines of fracture visible today in French society. In its report, the jury of citizens shares its division on the subject of compulsory vaccination: one party wanted it lifted, the other party was worried about it. THE JURY OF HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS WAS AS SUCCESSFUL TO THE LIFT OF THE VACCINE OBLIGATION. There was therefore no consensus.
Indeed, 14 countries in the European community have no vaccine obligation and are not willing to change their tune, which is stain in the totalitarian speech of the minister who ignores, even, opinions of professionals, yet supporters of vaccinations.
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by Janic » 09/05/18, 13:23

SWEDEN PROHIBITS COMPULSORY VACCINATIONS

In particular, according to "serious health problems" and the fact that such laws would violate the constitutional rights of citizens who must have a say in their health care (Excerpts)

Bawter Dimitry News, 12 May 2017

Why Sweden refuses vaccine obligations: disturbing reasons for Big Pharma!
Sweden rejected compulsory vaccinations after referring to serious health problems As well as the fact that the obligation would violate the constitutional rights of citizens to choose what may or may not be appropriate for their own health.
The 10 May 2017, the Swedish Parliament rejected seven motions that would have included mandatory vaccinations in law. Parliament has said "If we introduce compulsory or forced vaccinations, this would violate our [Swedish Constitution]"

Noting also "massive resistance to any form of coercion with regard to immunization", Parliament also referred to " serious and frequent adverse reactions "in children who receive the vaccinations.

"NHF Sweden sent a letter to the Committee explaining that the introduction of compulsory or forced vaccinations as submitted in Arkelsten's application violate the Constitution. Many others have sent a letter to Parliament and questioned politicians and Parliament. Politicians could only point out that there was massive resistance to all forms of coercion in immunization.

Why Sweden refuses vaccine obligations: disturbing reasons for Big Pharma!
"NHF Sweden has also highlighted the extent to which adverse reactions can be common in one year of vaccination. [...] In addition, it should be taken into account that each age group will receive the MMR vaccine twice, so that the side effects will be doubled. It should also be remembered that in addition similar adverse reactions apply to other vaccines.

"In the letter, we even included a comprehensive list of additives found in vaccines - substances that are not foods for good health and certainly should not end up in the bodies of babies or children. We have also included for legislators a very important list of studies that show that vaccination is a bad idea.

The full report can be found below:

http://www.thenhf.se/riksdagen-rostade- ... nmotioner/

The judicious decision of the Swedish Parliament is flawed, and goes against what is happening in the United States as in other Western countries. Big Pharma keeps lawmakers under its thumb; it dictates to them its policy using the corrupt media to calm the dissidents.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. recently demonstrated in the Tucker Carlson Show where he courageously exposed "the state of this lawless mafia" that Big Pharma represents and their "very lucrative" vaccine scam.

"The pharmaceutical industry is so powerful," RFK Jr. explained. It gives 5,4 billions of dollars a year to the media. She got rid of the lawyers ... She was really able to control the debate and reduce people like me to silence »

When asked how it was possible that the situation was so bad, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained: "that Congress granted Big Pharma overall legal immunity "in the case of vaccines.

Big Pharma became the law after President Reagan signed the law on damage related to childhood vaccines. These people can put toxic ingredients into vaccines. These things can seriously damage the health of your children - but you can not sue them.

"What you need to understand is that the vaccine regime has changed significantly since 1989. The reason it changed was that Congress, under the influence of the pharmaceutical industry, did what was never done for any other industry - Congress granted general legal immunity for all vaccine manufacturers.

"So no matter what the protocols, no matter how little quality control there is, no matter how toxic the ingredients are or the serious harm that can be done to children, you can not sue them.

"So there is no evidence, no discovery, no class action and ... all of a sudden vaccines become eminently profitable. "

The huge profits from this unregulated industry have meant that Big Pharma companies are committed to producing new and sometimes useless vaccines that are injected into the bodies of young children - often more than ten at a time.

"It has become a real gold rush for the pharmaceutical industry to add new vaccines to the vaccination scheme. "

But at what cost ? The vaccine industry, under its own rules - or rather by the absence of rules - makes it impossible for us to get to the facts. For a long time, President Trump has been calling for an independent investigation into the safety of vaccines. Robert F Kennedy Jr. made the same request.

[...] « I received three vaccines and I was perfectly in order. I am now 63 years old. To be in order my children had to receive 69 doses of 16 vaccines.

Many of these vaccines do not even concern communicable diseases. For example, hepatitis B is caught by unprotected sex or in people who share needles. Why do we give this vaccine to a child on the first day of life? And, in addition, it contains mercury! "

Tucker asks, "Are we really administering this vaccine to children? "

"We continue to give them this vaccine. The mercury has been removed from three vaccines, but it remains in the flu vaccine and is still found in several vaccines distributed around the world. It must be known that it is the most powerful non-radioactive neurotoxin known.

"How is it possible for us to inject such a product into children?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. tried to put this scandalous situation in context.

« If you take a vial of this vaccine and you happen to break it, you must get rid of it according to the legal rules that apply to dangerous products. You must also evacuate the building where the accident occurred. Why would you dare to inject this product into a child's body? "

VIDEO: RFK Jr. My meeting with President Trump on vaccines

Source: Yournewswire
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by izentrop » 09/05/18, 14:19

No need to put tons, Janic, we know your position and you drown out the main scientific source with unfounded blah blah.
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by Janic » 09/05/18, 18:01

No need to put tons, Janic, we know your position and you drown out the main scientific source with unfounded blah blah.
Most of the scientific source is not limited to your fun sites. And, in case you did not realize, scientists there are thousands of people around the world who are not blessed yes yes prostrate before their idol BIG Pharma.
on the other hand, your blah blah shows your incompetence to judge the scientific value of the quoted articles, (but there are hundreds in reserve) and all the readers are not superstitious like you and do not consider that nations, like Sweden or Germany, (among the 14 nations which have no obligations) are made only of weak people who do not have the infused science of our minister of health and his lobbies.
So instead of blablater in the void, indicates what would be incorrect in what is quoted above :!
the Nuremberg Code would then be absurd, obsolete? So you would be for the medical tests of the Nazis ?!
The scientists (selected by the minister) who declared themselves opposed to the obligations would be ignorant fools and incompetent? etc ... Be precise about what you criticize! 8)

A little more:

The INPES (National Institute for Prevention and Health Education) has in fact carried out, in 2005, with the BVA Survey Institute, a survey of a representative sample of 400 French doctors, general practitioners and pediatricians in order to evaluate their perception of the usefulness and safety of vaccines. The results are so eloquent that it was necessary, of course, to try as much as possible, to conceal the results from the public ....

58% of physicians have questions about the usefulness of vaccines given to children.

31% of physicians have questions about vaccine safety.

The reference to this survey is given, very confidentially, to practitioners in the INPES document entitled "Vaccinations, Practical Guide for the practitioner" and is noted as follows: "BVA. Study on pediatric vaccines with general practitioners and pediatricians. 2005: p. 31 - unpublished. "
(see page 12 of the booklet of the INPES (14 of the slider pdf) and page 35 of the booklet (37 of the cursor pdf) ... "not published"!)
you want others?
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by Janic » 10/05/18, 20:28

Pneumonia increases pneumonia and death in pneumococcal adults
By Brian Shilhavy, Health Impact News, 2 May 2018

Spanish health professionals have just published a study on the pneumococcal conjugate vaccine 13 valent (PCV13), administered to the elderly to protect them against pneumonia. The study was published in the journal BMC Infectious Diseases.
The PCV13 vaccine has been available since 2012, when it was approved by the FDA. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends the PCV13 vaccine to the elderly 19 to 64 who have high-risk (mainly asplenic or functional and immunocompromised) conditions, as well as for all people of 65 years old or older (with or without risks).
Spanish researchers conducted the study to determine whether or not the vaccine was effective in preventing hospitalization for pneumonia cases.
The benefits of the 13-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV13) in adults are controversial. This study investigated the clinical efficacy of PCV13 vaccination in preventing pneumonia hospitalization in middle and older adults.
The study focused on a population of more than two million people older than 50 years residing in Catalonia (Spain). Researchers looked at vaccinated and unvaccinated adults, noting those who were hospitalized for pneumonia and those who died from any other cause.
The results of their study showed that not only did PCV13 vaccine not reduce the risk of pneumonia, but it also increased the risk for those vaccinated.
In this study, significant differences in the results for both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals indicate that the vaccinated were sicker.
The study also showed that in the vaccinated population, the mortality rate was 60% higher (5944 for 100.000) than in the non-vaccinated population (2354 for 100.000).

Evaluation of the clinical efficacy of pneumococcal conjugate 13-valent vaccination against pneumonia in middle-aged and advanced adults in Catalonia: results of the EPIVAC cohort study - BMC Infectious Diseases, 27 april 2018.
[...]
conclusions
Our data do not allow us to confirm the clinical benefits of vaccination against PCV13 pneumonia in adults in Catalonia. This problem needs to be carefully monitored in subsequent studies involving a larger number of people vaccinated during the observation.
Source: Vaccineimpact

See as well:
Flu vaccine causes 5,5 times more respiratory infections
New damning study: Vaccinated against the flu have 6 times more likely to infect those around them!
Influenza: new vaccines but still the same sales pitch!
Pneumococci: the resounding failure of vaccination
Pneumococci: new broadening of vaccine targets in adults
Great generosity from the European Commission to Pfizer: Prevenar 13 now authorized for all ages
Prevenar from 7 to 13: vaccine marketing in all its states
Is Prevenar vaccine safe and safe?
Prevenar 13: overwhelming confidential documents
Vaccination of patients at risk? Even more risky!

http://initiativecitoyenne.be/2018/05/h ... coque.html
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by Janic » 16/05/18, 08:31

I am listening to a member reacting to the fact that it is inadmissible for adults to force underage children; by physical and psychological pressure, to suffer violence. Sexual violence would be an abomination, but vaccine violence would be a marvelous, messianic act, as if violence could be discredited here and credited there, as shown by the experiences of Nazi doctors on both children and adults.
That said, and to restore the truth on the balance of the vaccine "benefits" supposedly confronted with the general conditions of life which show that it is these which have a major impact on the reduction of diseases and not this deadly poisoning of vaccines which do not 'have as a virtue that to enrich lobbies, little concerned with the health of populations.

Investigation of Side Effects on Effects ... - Jean-Pierre Petit

https://www.jp-petit.org/nouv_f/pandemi ... ilance.pdf
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