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The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 08:11
by Janic
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortalit%C3%A9_en_France
On 540.000 annual deaths: 147.000 cancers; 140.000 cardiovascular diseases; 94.000 of drugs (legal for its majority); 55.000 obesity; 32.000 of diabetes and 25.000 of infectious diseases (In 2013, about 85% of deaths caused by infectious and parasitic diseases occurred in people over 65 years 32).
In other words, allopathy is the cause of the majority of deaths in France because of inability to solve important diseases such as cancers, heart diseases and drugs, etc ...
But luckily it was found 1 child in Europe of which they are not responsible for the death. This does not recall the sick animals of the plague de la Fontaine.

The ass came in his turn, and said, "I have recollection
That in a meadow of Monks passing,
Hunger, opportunity, tender grass, and I think
Some devil also pushing me,
I cut the breadth of my tongue from this meadow.
I had no right to do so, since we must speak plainly.
At these words they cried haro on the Baudet.
A somewhat clerical Wolf proved by his harangue
That this cursed animal must be devoted,
That peeled, this mangy, from whence came all their evil.
His peccadillo was judged a pendable case.
Eat the grass of others! What an abominable crime!
Nothing but death was able
To expiate his crime: he was clearly shown.
Depending on whether you will be powerful or miserable,
Court judgments will make you white or black.


For the moment these powerful ones, who judge the sins of others, are the lobbies of all genres who accuse and condemn all that prevents them from doing their business mortifer.
The populations have been the source of all these poisons that are spread on this planet and they are gradually becoming aware that this can not last indefinitely. Hence, increasing use of AB, homeopathy and other alternative medicines, pesticide-free agriculture, endocrine disrupters and a diet without preservatives or colorants or the rest, and consequently less Less chemical medicine equally dangerous for our health and that of future generations and which leaves so many people on the tile.

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 12:00
by sen-no-sen
Janic wrote:In other words, allopathy is the cause of the majority of deaths in France because of inability to solve important diseases such as cancers, heart diseases and drugs, etc ...


Janic you seem to have fallen in the same ways as our friend "out of nothing", in a "Yin" version however.
To say that "allopathy" (I prefer the term pharmaco-chemistry) is responsible for all deaths in France is an absurdity (!).
Without all his treatment we would be unable to treat most of the ills and the population would be largely amputated!
There are, of course, many health scandals associated with the use of its medicines (pick, Josacine Etc.) but that would be without counting on the millions of people saved thanks to it!
The benefit is clearly in the direction of it, and any benefit brings risks.
I think that you are confusing the drifts of economism applied to medicine, treatments in themselves.

Homeopathy is unfortunately not the weight in the face of certain pathologies, particularly infectious diseases, which does not however detract from its usefulness in the treatment of certain chronic diseases.

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 14:09
by Janic
Janic wrote:
Clearly, allopathy is the cause of the majority of deaths in France such as cancers, heart diseases and drugs, etc ...

Janic you seem to have fallen into the same ways as our friend "out of thin air", in a "Yin" version however.

Obviously, this is the response of the shepherd to the shepherdess. : Cheesy:
To say that "allopathy" (I prefer the term pharmaco-chemistry) is responsible for all deaths in France is an absurdity (!).

I didn't say that, but: "Because of inability to resolve important pathologies"It's just whether we're talking about the half-empty glass or the half-full glass. Half-pass or half-pass too!
Now this medicine is (whether it likes it or not) the dominant medicine in France, by a sort of monopoly which should not be discussed or questioned, despite its many failures encrypted above.
Without all his treatment we would be unable to treat most of the ills and the population would be largely amputated!

This is entirely “wrong in his mind.” Indeed, But only for westerners, Since its post-war expansion, allopathy or pharmaco-chemistry if you prefer, has established itself as the only way to follow prohibiting (through its domination in universities, medical offices, pharmacies Finally,) to advocate and distribute something other than big pharma poisons, without asking the question whether other paths, without toxic dangers, were possible.
In addition, it is once again taking the problem upside-down by seeking to tackle the effects without questioning the causes (less now with taking into account that the lifestyle would be for many)
There are of course many health scandals linked to the use of its medicines (mediator, josacine etc ..) but this would count on the millions of people saved thanks to it!
For the best known only! Chemical medicines are only a small part of the chemical poisons that people use.
It's like saying that life-savers are saved without taking into account that most of them are due to drinking, drugs, imprudence, transgressing protective prohibitions. This does not call into question (at least initially and among some idealists) the intention to do well, but hell is also paved with good intentions and after decades of observation of our society of sick, it is not Not folichon.
The benefit is clearly in the direction of it, and any benefit brings risks.

Only if you consider that this means IS THE ONLY AND SINGLE MEANS POSSIBLE, therefore in the absence of anything else. Yet the natural medicines (the ones that their elders have practiced for millennia (and I am not talking here about the obscurantistic period of our society) practiced all over the world, say the opposite: a healer, an oriental herbalist does as well, Better without presenting the important risks of chemical medicine Which has imposed itself exclusively on Western populations and has spread, partially, to the rest of the world because it is easier to swallow a pill (and this is valid for the H too). than to modify its cultural behaviors, including the big food (dixit jean Pierre Cofffe: "This is crap! "=
I think that you are confusing the drifts of economism applied to medicine, treatments in themselves.

No, and fortunately, no! Of course, like all small and large companies, their functioning demands to consider its economic aspect to subsist and to endure, such as nuclear energy in our country. (But 20.000% is a lot!) The question, not asked, is If it is the right path that has been borrowed and if the growing pathologies are (like Dr. Knock) the result of a weakening of the populations and therefore the need to treat them or come from the treatments that weaken the populations.
Now it is, after decades of domination of the A. (Thus chemical) that the comparison could be made compared to .... Nothing since it is monopolistic, Seeking by campaigns of denigration, defamation, lies of all kinds, to maintain and preserve this one like any economic system that likes to analyze Ahmed and you. Nothing differentiates them either in terms of drugs or socks like toothbrushes.
Homeopathy is unfortunately not the weight in the face of certain pathologies, particularly infectious diseases, which does not however detract from its usefulness in the treatment of certain chronic diseases.

No, again no! This speech is held by the pharmaco-chemical industry to make believe that this is indeed the case, which arranges its business well. Filled up To the relevant professional sources (H unicite or pluralistic only homeopathic, graduate in A, therefore competent to make comparisons on the possible limits of H (and it has like any technique!) Like A.
As I said earlier, even with the same professional level, an aeronautical engineer does not have the same skills (and vice versa) as a submarine, they are two very different specialties, with some common points in spite of everything, But none can substitute for the other. If the H are graduates of allopathic medicine and therefore with a double competence, the A. have none and are therefore incompetent to judge ON THEIR criteria ONLY the neighboring specialty.
Any fool would easily realize that this is not credible, but in this area there would be a kind of "miraculous" exception that would give them the missing skills. Let us remain serious, rational!
But everything is wrong! If the A gives a medoc and it works, it is said that the product is effective with regard to the pathology, but if it is another medicine that does the same, (and I do not speak of the " It is chance, a placebo, or it is the nice doctor H. or prescribing naturopath, rather than the wicked physician A, who has taken care of. People are really taken for idiots, for the rest.

NB: for the anecdote, already mentioned. Rika Zaraî, follower of natural medicines, had challenged the medical professors who criticized her, to bring together an honorary jury made up of doctors and patients and to take patients and either to "cure" him all And these gentlemen should recognize the validity of this type of therapy, or they would not succeed and they would have enough to prove that it did not work. None wanted to participate: What had they to lose if they were persuaded to be right?

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 14:35
by sen-no-sen
Janic wrote:I did not say that, but: "because of inability to solve important pathologies"! It's just whether we're talking about the half-empty glass or the half-full glass. To succeed halfway or to fail halfway too!
Now this medicine is (whether it likes it or not) the dominant medicine in France, by a sort of monopoly which should not be discussed or questioned, despite its many failures encrypted above.


And you want to replace it with what?
Homeopathy I presume?
Already it is false to say that pharmaco-chemistry is incapable of solving the heavy pathologies, many formerly fatal diseases are treated with very high healing levels.

There are still pathologies or pharmaco-chemical drugs are ineffective, mainly neuro disease, but the homeo does no better ...

Rika Zaraî, follower of natural medicines, had challenged the Pr of medicine who criticized her, to bring together an honorary jury made up of doctors and patients and to take patients and either to "cure" him all and these gentlemen should recognize the validity of this type of therapy, or else it would fail and they would have something to prove that it didn't work. None wanted to participate: but what did they have to lose if they were convinced they were right?

That did not stop him from having a stroke lately ... you idealize a little too much natural medicine.

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 19:37
by Janic
Janic wrote:
I didn't say that, but: "Because of inability to resolve important pathologies"It's just whether we're talking about the half-empty glass or the half-full glass. Half-pass or half-pass too!
Now this medicine is (whether it likes it or not) the dominant medicine in France, by a sort of monopoly which should not be discussed or questioned, despite its many failures encrypted above.

And you want to replace it with what?

It's good ! It is that kind of question that everyone should ask themselves beforehand.
I would like to point out that I am giving here only a personal point of view and therefore not as a reference. So:
Why replace a totalitarian medicine with another which would take its place with the same pretensions (the same famous ones that you evoke regularly)
I have already expressed it, but not everyone, step by step, (pretty triple not easy to place) I am for a maximum opening towards ALL therapies that can help, relieve and if possible cure anyone in Suffering, without a priori, cultural, societal, religious or atheist.
Homeopathy I presume?

homeopathy Is only one Technical in the midst of a multitude of others and none has and can not pretend to solve everything alone.
Already it is false to say that pharmaco-chemistry is incapable of solving the heavy pathologies, many formerly fatal diseases are treated with very high healing levels.

Give examples WHAT NO OTHER MEANS could have solved?
Secondly, I repeat once again (how many more is needed?) There is no question of questioning the efficacy, even if it is transient, of pharmaco-chemistry, but of its toxicity and its dangerousness.
A bomb is always more effective than peace talks, but it rarely has any consequences.
There are still pathologies or pharmaco-chemical drugs are ineffective, mainly neuro disease, but the homeo does no better ...

It is not only pharmaco-chemical that is ineffective in the face of certain pathologies when they are outside their field of competence. Now, and I recall it for the Xth time, the H. Does not follow the same process as the A, nor other means, it is not fixed on "classical" physiological reactions, more or less inherited from pasteurism which is obsessed with viruses, microbes and others Bacteria inherited from the warrior spirit that sees only adversaries and enemies everywhere. But without viruses, bacteria, and microbes, we would not even be alive and would not even exist.
Pasteur was opposed to Bechamp, who defended the notion of land (the state of the immune system), each one having its share of truth since the infections are well caused by infectious agents, but these infectious agents are fought up to To the restoration of the physiological equilibrium by the action of this immune system.
Therefore, they are not enemies to be killed, but they give rise to physiological reactions which indicate a dysfunction (for this aspect only) of the immune system which, at worst, goes to a SID. An immunodeficient system, characteristic of certain diseases.
And this is valid for ALL pathologies and therefore for any therapy to be applied according to this deficiency.
The H (because it is called into question) does not work according to the usual protocols of the A which baffles as much the doctors who do not master this technique as the patients who do not see the relation between, for example ( and anything preferably), have sweats between 2 and 3 in the morning, have an acid smell, and lots of other signs that are not taken into account by the A, while they are the ones who indicate the similinum And he alone, not another resembling him. While in A several medocs will correspond to the reducing symptoms taken into account by this one.
For dilutions you are sufficiently fan of quantum physics to understand that the homeopathic principle is in these waters, but in Hahnemann's time no one suspected the scientific revolution on Newtonian physics that this would represent.

For rika Zaraï!
That did not stop him from having a stroke lately ....

That's right! But it was only VGR not VGL, (at the time) which still makes an important difference between these two food systems, even though cardio vascular diseases are related to these products in question. But since I do not know his daily food mode, I have no opinion on this subject.
On the other hand, one must read his book My natural medicine Where she explains why she became adept following the accident she had had and whose doctors said she would never go again given the seriousness of her pathology. It was therefore with a VGR leader that she was led to apply these methods of care and her recovery was extremely rapid in the light of what she had. And she went back without any sequel to the surprise of the medics who had judged her "lost"
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You idealize a little too much natural medicines
Is it better to idealize pharmaco-chemistry?
Now I do not, I practice, ME, Contrary to those who discuss in a vacuum, without personal experience, or known, lived, it is therefore absurd to speak of idealization.

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 20:50
by sen-no-sen
Janic wrote:Give examples WHAT NO OTHER MEANS could have solved?


I do not think homeo or acupuncture is effective in curing hepatitis B for example.
To say that pharmaco-chemistry is totalitarian is exaggerated, it is rather totalizing, nuance, because to my knowledge hypnotherapy, acupuncture, or phytotherapy are not prohibited, some mutual reimburses the consultations.

That's right! But it was only VGR not VGL (Rika Zarai (At the time), which still makes an important difference between these two food systems, even though cardio-vascular diseases are linked to these products.


And so if she had been a vegan she would not have been affected by a stroke? And then if she had been vegan you would have said,Ah but yes but she started too late! : Lol: It's a bit easy as an argument!

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 03/06/17, 21:36
by Janic
Janic wrote:
Give examples WHAT NO OTHER MEANS could have solved?

I do not think homeo or acupuncture is effective in curing hepatitis B for example.
You see you can not help but consider, a priori, That there is not and can not be Other means than big pharma
Now you think but you do not know, so you share a priori, a presupposition only. Now I have just written All possible therapies Not just one or two!
To say that pharmaco-chemistry is totalitarian is exaggerated, it is rather totalizing, nuance, because to my knowledge hypnotherapy, acupuncture or phytotherapy are not prohibited, some mutual reimburses the consultations.

Today and again! Pharmaco chemistry is like chemical agriculture because few know enough about all the struggles that have been necessary to nibble some practice spaces. Acupuncture, osteo were forbidden to exercise in France and its practitioners pursued by the order of the doctors not giving a damn about whether the patients were better or not. Some rare, very rare, pharmacies, or professional medical plaque indicated homeopathy or acupuncture. The AB was ridiculed by the newspapers under the orders of agrochemistry, and today the virtues are proclaimed. The memory of things is volatile at this point?
Things have a history that should not be forgotten.
So They did not let go of the ballast which Because popular pressure has finally overcome these prohibitions in medicine as in agriculture elsewhere and the fight is not over with these zigotos who continue their propaganda despite their profound ignorance of the techniques in question.

And so if she had been a vegan she would not have been affected by a stroke?

Absolutely not. Advances in dietetics have dissected each component of food and any nutritionist knows the composition and therefore its effects. The VGL removes a large part and therefore reduces the risks.
And then if she had been vegan you would have said, ah but yes but she started too late!

On top of that it's often true and did the painful experience.
It's a bit easy as an argument!

Always the same thing!
The arguments are useless in the face of the reality of the individual confronted with his choices of life. Now what do you know about the difference between VGR and VGL given the few studies available on the subject and when these are available they are not even considered except may be 50 years later when nobody else Can seriously challenge them. As a reminder, there is 50 years ago ALL the official literature shouted haro on the VGR as on the VGL (and the AB), and today one finds him lots of virtues while continuing to break sugar on the back Of the LGV with the same dose of ignorance.

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 05/06/17, 10:08
by Janic
By chance, actually after an indication of his site by Ahmed, I come across this Nicolino article (which is not a reference for all of course)
http://fabrice-nicolino.com/?cat=1
« I leave it to one of the old readers of Planet without a visa, Frédéric Wolff. And with real pleasure.

In a burst of indulgence, these phenomena could be described as anomalies, accidental drifts, isolated. I do not believe it for a second. These dysfunctions are structural, inherent to any system that exceeds a certain threshold, what Ivan Illich had revealed about the medical company, in particular (Medical Nemesis, 1975). The medicine that makes sick, the expression has something iconoclastic. Iatrogenic diseases are the so-called pathologies resulting from a mediated act performed according to the rules of the art. Side effects to nosocomial infections, we have all heard of. But the point goes much further. Industrial medicine is like the society of the same name. Both swear by the prostheses. They divert us from the vernacular remedies, from our own autonomy. They colonize all the dimensions of our existences. Everything must be medicalized, and the more the industrialization of the world is gaining ground, the more medicine is extended, the more difficult it becomes to escape.
Poisoning calls for poisoning. The body (like the earth), short-circuited too long, can no longer do without perfusion. We should stop calling medicine which is no more than a toxic machine, No longer speak of phyto-sanitary products but of Chemical poison. There is a break in harmony, an eclipse of the natural ability of organisms to return to their state of equilibrium (homeostasis). Health, it could be that autonomous capacity, precisely, and Understands without difficulty that this faculty appears to be unbearable for a commercial society.
The more I examine these questions, the more I take the measure of the unheard-of complexity of the living, not to say its mystery. What we gain in knowledge, we lose in understanding. Our knowledge is more and more specialized, I grant you. But what characterizes the living being, are the ties that are tied within him, between him and his environment. To claim to do health work without questioning this toxic environment, without trying to understand these links, is an absolute imposture. This is counterproductive. It is not a few minutes spent in a medical practice to send out symptoms with chemical molecules that will regulate anything, no more than a scanner or some state-of-the-art technology.
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Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 06/06/17, 16:43
by Exnihiloest
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In other words, allopathy is the cause of the majority of deaths in France because of inability to solve important diseases such as cancers, heart diseases and drugs, etc ...
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Too bad to find repeatedly on this forum the promotion of obscurantism, its falsification of facts, and its lies.
Is not ecology a science? It will never be mature as long as it does not reject from its ranks its extremists who take the pretext for their little reactionary anti-all-what-is-academic struggle, in the denial of scientific progress.

Re: the dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

published: 06/06/17, 17:41
by Janic
Too bad to find repeatedly on this forum the promotion of obscurantism, its falsification of facts, and its lies.
Is not ecology a science? It will never be mature as long as it does not reject from its ranks its extremists who take the pretext for their little reactionary anti-all-what-is-academic struggle, in the denial of scientific progress.
if I understand correctly you would like to get fired forum? : roll
while I'm at it, it's interesting that you take as an avatar, not the image of a scientist, but of a dowser with his pendulum that, your "all-that-which-is-academic "consider charlatanism. : Evil: