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Homeopathy: proven effectiveness in India




by Janic » 10/01/17, 19:21

homeopathy: efficacy recognized in INDIA

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Basically, a group of 60 cases of autistic children were observed for 6 months before the start of the homeopathic treatment in question: 52 saw their scores drop, 5 did not move, 3 improved.

The same group after homeopathic treatment according to the rules of the art: 88,34% of cases have improved.

The average improvement in autistic traits was 19,03% with 44% improvement as the best performance, with 16 cases in the 30% improvement. The quarterly monitoring for one year revealed continuous improvement over time.
And assessed according to the Childhood Autism Assessment Scale (CARS), 60% of the children in the group treated with homeopathy went straight out of the "Autistic" zone afterwards!
Source of support: Department of AYUSH (Department of Ayurveda, Yoga and Naturopathy, Unani, Siddha and Homeopathy), Ministry of Health and Family, Government of India, Conflict of Interest: None
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Re: homeopathy: efficacy recognized in India




by Janic » 10/01/17, 20:58

janic wrote: And it is not on Big pharma that one should count on doing this given his negationism and his phony studies.

1 / Homeopathy is part of big-pharma.

In general, the “derogatory” designation of big pharma concerns the allopathic pharmaceutical industries
2 / What are bogus studies?

ALL studies done by allopaths incompetent in homeopathy. It is (bid repetita) like comparing the studies of aeronautical engineers wanting to be judges of the works of engineers in submarines: same title, but not same specialty.
janic wrote: The interest of this lies in the fact of support from the Ministry of Health and the government, which must be a first.
There is nothing exceptional about government support:
"NHMRC Statement on Homeopathy and NHMRC Information Paper - Evidence on the effectiveness of homeopathy for treating health conditions"
https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/guidelines-publications/cam02

Support in homeopathy, it is obvious in relation to the subject. For the Australian government, he supports big pharma and his phony studies by incompetence
janic wrote: The other aspect, which differentiates this country from the USA, for example, is that its drug industry is only geared towards generics (therefore at low cost), unlike the USA which has a maxi of drugs under patents and therefore at high prices and significant benefits for big pharma.

You always base yourself on sourceless apriori.
First, the Indian model is widely questionable:
http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/ ... 50684.html

India has earned the nickname "pharmacy in developing countries", but access to medicines is a problem.
“India, which has earned the nickname“ pharmacy for developing countries ”thanks to the power of its generic industry, is also a country where half the population does not have access to life-saving medicines. "
I did not mention access to medicines, but to the production of these, the price of which is lower than ours despite everything.
Learn more about http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/ ... HpH2SAP.99
Second, the USA is among the best students in developed countries in terms of the use of generics.
http://social-sante.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/pla ... rs2015.pdf

Same thing, I did not mention the volume but the cost patented products. It is also this reason which made push, in France, to have recourse to generics (Indian?)
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Re: homeopathy: efficacy recognized in India




by pedrodelavega » 10/01/17, 21:17

Janic wrote:In general, the “derogatory” designation of big pharma concerns the allopathic pharmaceutical industries
Yes for the followers of the homeo. But in reality, homeopathy is part of big pharma.

Janic wrote:ALL studies done by allopaths incompetent in homeopathy.
What do you know

Janic wrote:It is (bid repetita) like comparing the studies of aeronautical engineers wanting to be judges of the works of engineers in submarines: same title, but not same specialty.
No your comparison is inappropriate: It's like "comparing the efficiency of an electric car to that of a thermal car."

Janic wrote:Support in homeopathy, it is obvious in relation to the subject. For the Australian government, he supports big pharma and his phony studies by incompetence
What makes you say that?
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Re: homeopathy: efficacy recognized in India




by Janic » 11/01/17, 09:34

janic wrote: In general, the designation " pejoratively Of big pharma concerns the allopathic pharmaceutical industries

Yes for the followers of the homeo. But in reality, homeopathy is part of big pharma.

Except that " pejoratively »All so-called alternative medicines thus designate the allopathic pharmaceutical industry
janic wrote: ALL the studies done by allopaths incompetent in homeopathy.

What do you know

If you read what you are told and especially remember it, all the studies done by the big pharma industry are done by its members. As the studies on the planes are not made by submariners, incompetent mutually on the specialty of the other.
As a reminder of what was indicated earlier on the other site:
"For homeopathy and its special status:
The answers with Dr Dominique Jeulin-Flamme, president of the National Union of French Homeopathic Physicians:
"Homeopathic medicines have a simplified registration for a reason that is very simpleis that a therapeutic drug does not correspond to a therapeutic class.
“Currently an MA is compared to a reference class. If you want an anti-inflammatory, you take the reference medicine and you compare. We have no therapeutic class. If you take arnica, it is a medicine for trauma, insomnia, flu, gastroenteritis ... So these indications are broad enough do not allow comparison with a reference medicine."

janic wrote: It's (bid repetita) like COMPARE STUDIES of aeronautical engineers wanting to be judges of the work of engineers in submarines: same title, but not same specialty.

No your comparison is inappropriate: It's like "comparing the efficiency of an electric car to that of a thermal car."

The industry is not your strong it seems and you regularly confuse. It's not about efficiency, first, but STUDY, Design. Efficiency measures do not come until much later, but without confusion of specialty.
Janic wrote :Dhe homeopathy support is obvious in relation to the subject. For the Australian government, he supports big pharma and his phony studies by incompetence

What makes you say that?

Read what homeopaths say, instead of seeing and believing only big pharma! The conventional, standardized methods in question are not applicable to homeopathy as the doctors concerned say and repeat. So no one can say that even by putting wings on a submarine, it could fly according to conventional, standardized methods of aviation: it cannot work.

“The CLASSIC, STANDARDIZED and accepted methods relating to the evaluation of the reliability of the effectiveness of therapies have been implemented. This work was supervised by the commission on homeopathy, set up by the NHMRC ”
http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2436
Your favorite site!
When Semmelweis puts forward hygiene measures, which the medical profession did not respect, the pseudo sciences of his time stand against him, when Pasteur demonstrates spontaneous non-generation, same thing, the PS do the same, same thing for his vaccine, etc.according to the classic and standardized methods of their time. Today we vaccinate with all our strength (in France) we have not seen spontaneous generation since, and hygiene measures (by Semmelweis) are applied everywhere in hospitals and elsewhere. So their comments…!
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Re: homeopathy: efficacy recognized in India




by Janic » 11/01/17, 10:05

another example of effectiveness already indicated concerning sepsis: ". On day 30, there was a non-statistically significant trend in survival in favor of homeopathy (verum 81,8%, placebo 67,7%, P = 0,19). On day 180, survival was statistically significantly higher with homeopathy verum (75,8% vs 50,0%, P = 0,043). No adverse effects were observed "
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Re: homeopathy: efficacy recognized in India




by dede2002 » 11/01/17, 16:57

pedrodelavega wrote:
Janic wrote:In general, the “derogatory” designation of big pharma concerns the allopathic pharmaceutical industries
Yes for the followers of the homeo. But in reality, homeopathy is part of big pharma.



It's a matter of relationships, homeopathy is of course part of "pharma", but to be qualified as "big" it has to stir hundreds of billions ...
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by pedrodelavega » 11/01/17, 18:35

Janic wrote:another example of effectiveness already indicated concerning sepsis: ". On day 30, there was a non-statistically significant trend in survival in favor of homeopathy (verum 81,8%, placebo 67,7%, P = 0,19). On day 180, survival was statistically significantly higher with homeopathy verum (75,8% vs 50,0%, P = 0,043). No adverse effects were observed "
You write without stopping that clinical trials are not applicable in homeopathy but it is the 3rd that you quote.
Hard to follow ...
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Re: Homeopathy: proven effectiveness in India




by Janic » 12/01/17, 08:02

You write without stopping that clinical trials are not applicable in homeopathy but it is the 3rd that you quote.
Hard to follow ...
and you're having trouble reading.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of allopathy do not apply to H; but if the H defines its own criteria in phase III, this poses no problem. Rather ask yourself the question in the other direction: would the A submit to the criteria defined by the H. :?:
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by pedrodelavega » 12/01/17, 22:15

Janic wrote:If you read what you are told
It is not because you indicate something that it is true: You need figures, sources ... so:
Janic wrote:ALL studies done by allopaths incompetent in homeopathy.
How do you know?

Janic wrote:The industry is not your strong it seems and you regularly confuse. It's not about efficiency, first, but STUDY, Design. Efficiency measures do not come until much later, but without confusion of specialty.
The studies that have been discussed since the debate began are the clinical studies to measure effectiveness. You quoted it yourself below.

Janic wrote:The conventional, standardized methods in question are not applicable to homeopathy as the doctors concerned say and repeat. So no one can say that even by putting wings on a submarine, it could fly according to conventional, standardized methods of aviation: it cannot work.
The classic, standardized methods in question are not the design / manufacturing methods (airplane wing on a submarine ???). These are the methods relating to the evaluation of the reliability of the efficiency as you quoted below : Arrowd:
Janic wrote:“The CLASSIC, STANDARDIZED and accepted methods relating to the evaluation of the reliability of the effectiveness of therapies have been implemented. This work was supervised by the commission on homeopathy, set up by the NHMRC ”
http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2436
Your favorite site!


Janic wrote:clinical trials of allopathy are not applicable to H; but if the H defines its own criteria in phase III, this poses no problem.
You always advance a lot of things without link / without source: What are these criteria? Where are they defined? How do you know, for example, in the studies you cited if these criteria were applied?
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Re: Homeopathy: proven effectiveness in India




by Janic » 13/01/17, 09:02

janic wrote: If you read what you said

It is not because you indicate something that it is true: You need figures, sources
.
.therefore:
http://www.cedh.org/data/media/file/int ... OUN-VF.pdf
Interesting for its graphics and treatments given as:
"Symptomatic treatment
Tarentula15 CH, KaliumBromatum15 CH for agitation, lack of verbal and visual communication, Ignatia30 CH for anger and Lachesis30 CH for aggression with self-harm. Medorrhinum30 CH for agitation, Silicea30 CH for ENT infections and delayed acquisitions.
Field treatment:
Lycopodium30 CH 1 weekly dose for anorexia, recurrent ENT infections, familial ATCD of metabolic diseases with atopy and digestive disorders. "


http://www.homeopathe.org/Docupdf/Autisme2015.pdf
"In the space of two years, I was able to treat about twenty pure autism cases, including 16
usable files with a follow-up of at least a year, and I must admit that the results are
surprising: all children except one are well improved, none wanted to stop the
treatment due to adverse side effects, and especially 6 cases are so spectacular that the
children are considered out of the autism spectrum, what i had never seen in
all my pediatric career
."


https://www.contre-info.com/on-peut-gue ... ent-glauzy
"Dear Dr Tinus Smits, when did you first become interested in autism?
My interest in autism came from the first experience of detoxification of children, victims of vaccines. I have found that autistic children suffer from attention deficit disorder. They show hyperactivity, mood changes and aggressiveness. By detoxifying the body of the vaccines received, we obtain a complete cure.
What are the causes of autism?
I came to this conclusion after using CEASE homeopathic therapy on autism cases of different levels of severity. My hope led me to deduce that autism is a multifactorial pathology, 70% attributable to vaccines, 25% to the administration of drugs or other toxic substances, especially during pregnancy. It is only in 5% of cases that this disorder is caused by organic pathologies. "


http://homeoclassique.com/?p=533
"In the case of our son, traditional medicine had nothing to offer. We used speech and language therapy, but alongside these types of behavioral therapies, traditional medicine had nothing to offer us."

http://www.plantes-et-sante.fr/soignez/ ... l-efficace
etc ....

janic wrote: ALL the studies done by allopaths incompetent in homeopathy.

How do you know?

Just as I know that avionics studies are not done by naval engineers.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
etc ...
janic wrote: The industry is not your strong it seems and you regularly confuse. It is not a question of efficiency, first, but of STUDY, of design. Efficiency measures do not come until much later, but without confusion of specialty.

The studies that have been discussed since the beginning of the debate are clinical studies to measure effectiveness. You quoted it yourself below.

Of course it is a question of measuring efficiency, but NOT according to the criteria that A wants to impose and which are valid ONLY for its products.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
Bis repetita: clinical trials of A are not suitable and applicable to H.
janic wrote: The conventional, standardized methods in question are not applicable to homeopathy as the doctors say and repeat. So no one can say that even by putting wings on a submarine, it could fly according to conventional, standardized methods of aviation: it cannot work.

The classic, standardized methods in question are not the design / manufacturing methods (airplane wing on a submarine ???). These are the methods for assessing the reliability of effectiveness as you mentioned below

janic wrote: “The CLASSIC, STANDARDIZED and accepted methods relating to the evaluation of the reliability of the effectiveness of therapies have been implemented. This work was supervised by the commission on homeopathy, set up by the NHMRC ”
http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2436

This does not preclude the fact that if it is according to the criteria established BY THE H. and therefore classic, standardized and accepted BY THEIR PROFESSION, his assessment may be valid.
janic wrote: clinical trials of allopathy are not applicable to H; but if the H defines its own criteria in phase III, this poses no problem.

You always advance a lot of things without link / without source: What are these criteria?

If, instead of seeking to demolish H. you were interested really to this therapy, you would know!
Where are they defined? How do you know, for example, in the studies you cited if these criteria were applied

Read them first, without a priori (I know it borders on the impossible) and you will know!

NB: just a remark on the cited tests, it is that the H. intervenes after the failures of A (which is almost without effective means against Autism) and whose results are encouraging to continue on this path in this disease and the rest too. Also interesting since it is not likely to be a placebo since this effect has already been eliminated by previous A. therapies.
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