Parkinson's disease favored by pesticides, it's official

[Christophe]

No offense to the chemical pro ...

The link between Parkinson's disease and officially recognized pesticides

http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... _3244.html

[Janic]

Oh, well, thin: no one would have thought!

[Christophe]

Bin there are still critics of the dangerousness of pesticides, no further than on this forum: gardening / the-Monsanto-Roundup-deadly-to-the-man-glyphosate-t7275.html

[Did67]

Note that a natural insecticide, long authorized and used in organic farming labeled AB, has been removed for the same problem, in Europe, 2008. This is rotenone.

http://www.enviro2b.com/2011/02/16/para ... parkinson/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rot%C3%A9none

As it is a product extracted from plants, satisfying the basic dogma of organic farming, its use has long been authorized, as an insecticide, despite some major "drawbacks" (long before the discovery of its incidence on Parkinson's disease): very broad spectrum (in short, killing almost anything that closely or remotely resembles an insect) and above all, high toxicity for all cold-blooded animals (amphibians, fish, etc. ...). It also has a fairly high afterglow.

A product which, if it were still on sale, for these reasons, would never have set foot in the "Potager du Laesseux"!

[izentrop]

Did67, you're right to share things on a passionate subject.
"why Doctor?" explains: "Pesticides: their link to Parkinson's disease explained" http://www.pourquoidocteur.fr/Articles/ ... n-explique

Rotenone, used to control harmful fish populations, causes oxidative stress like most products tested by EFSA. But it is also at the origin of a dysfunction of the mitochondria, a sort of "battery" responsible for the production, storage and distribution of the energy required by the cell.

This phenomenon is common to many neurotoxic herbicides. Other damage to the brain is often added, such as protein build-up, degeneration of dopaminergic neurons - caused by carbamates - or cell death.

Pesticides that are notoriously listed are listed by EFSA, such as organochlorine used in DDT or pyrethroids. These two molecules are however widely used, in order to fight mosquitoes vectors of infectious diseases.
The glyphosate seems once again spared ...

[Christophe]

Rotenone is not exactly a natural insecticide but of natural origin since there is extraction so concentration of the molecule ... there is therefore a nuance ...

In concentrated form, we can find tens of thousands of natural molecules dangerous for humans in nature!

And you know what? There are even, in nature, plants quite deadly! Yes, yes, it's true!! And even mushrooms and berries!

In short all this to say that it is not because molecules of natural origin are dangerous that we must forget or minimize the dangerousness of synthetic molecules! Is not it Izentrop?

[izentrop]

Synthetic molecules are no more dangerous, it is often the opposite, because they are selected and tested to cause less adverse effects and their biodegradability, that's why an organic pesticide remains a pesticide, sometimes more dangerous than its synthetic counterpart. Do not be fooled.

Thepyrethroids are charged for their neurotoxic effects and notPyrethrum ? I would like to know the reason.

Pyrethrins attack the nervous system of all insects, attention! It is toxic to fish.

To return to the subject, the decree mentioned in the article of the world which you quote in opening, date of 2012 and the link to

Le table n ° 58 relates to Parkinson's disease caused by pesticides. It is created in view of the state of knowledge in humans to establish a causal link between Parkinson's disease and pesticides.

does not lead to anything

[izentrop]

Pyrethrum, authorized in organic, is one of the pyrethroids

[Did67]

Please don't "flip" my sentences! Which deprives them of all meaning.

I do not want to say that synthetic molecules are not dangerous. Or you have to use them without reservations ...

I just wanted to say that it's not just synthetic molecules that are (because I am convinced that when the majority of people read "pesticides", they hear "synthetic pesticides" and continue to use without reservation. products when they are "organic"). Hence my precision.

In the Potager du Laesseux neither synthetic products nor certain "natural" products enter the known dangers of which seem obvious to me (rotenone would have been excluded if it were still on sale even before the effect on the disease. of Parkinson's disease is known, because of its persistence, its broad spectrum, and its dangerousness for all cold-blooded animals, known effects; as is currently excluded Bordeaux mixture - copper sulphate - because of its persistent toxicity in the ground, even if authorized in AB).

On the other hand, I use Frutogard M, an extract of natural algae, as a stimulator of natural defenses against mildew (this year), which has "no risk phrase" (therefore no known reserve for any dangerousness, neither for the consumer, nor for the environment, nor for the soil, nor for the living beings of the soil) ... But it is not authorized in "organic labeled AB" because the extraction process is not "natural".

[Did67]

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The are charged for their neurotoxic effects and not pyrethrum

I think, too, that there are serious doubts there. Maybe no serious study done on pyrethrum, which does not interest enough people ???

Certain synthetic pyrethroids were developed precisely because they "erased" the defects of natural pyrethroids - in particular, they considerably reduced the persistence (the molecule "imitated" natural pyrethrum, of which it had the effects, but was much more fragile in environment, therefore disappearing much faster ...).

But hey, they would not enter the Lazy Potager either ...