Environment: compare cars with TOP-TEN

[Christophe]

And hop, like every year, the comparison of TOPTEN on so-called green cars ... less polluting would be less of greenwashing but hey ... we're not going to be cranky!

Consumers concerned about the environment can find help on the internet, thanks to a "comparator" on a whole range of common materials. In particular so as not to be mistaken about a real "green" car

In order to guide the user in his purchases, the Top Ten site (inspired by the very sophisticated Swiss site of the same name), which has listed 15 criteria that influence the act of buying a car: fiscal power, number of cylinders or bonus / penalty in C02, to which he added the pollution index developed by the Swiss Transport and Environment Association. This index, which has four criteria: damage from CO2, air pollutants, noise pollution and environmental damage, should enable the buyer to find the car with the lowest ecological impact.

In addition, Top Ten, which was launched on the initiative of WWF and the French consumer association CLCV, gives an assessment of Co2 emissions from the automobile and, great news, the sums that the driver will spend on fuel for 100.000 km traveled. The comparator also allows you to compare other consumer products: washing machines, televisions, light bulbs ... On the site, the buyer can keep abreast of trends in the automotive market in terms of sustainable development, legislation (including tax) in progress, and offers consultation of recommendation sheets.
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Source: http://energie.lexpansion.com/articles/ ... -Top-Ten-/

Consult the results:

- The TOP TEN site: http://www.guide-topten.com/ (must allow popups)
- The TOP TEN Switzerland site: http://www.topten.ch/ (funny the results are not really the same but the presentation very close ...)
- TopTen on econo

I am still surprised to see petrol car consuming (manufacturer) 6L to 100 in the top three! Because 6L manufacturer is often 7 to 8 in real ... As well as the presence in the TOP 10 of the Audi A3 1.3 TSFI (gasoline therefore) of 125 hp !!! On the other hand, no trace of the BMW 118d, yet elected "green car" of the year 2008, see: https://www.econologie.com/forums/bmw-118d-e ... t5061.html

Finally "fortunately" that it is not only CO2 ...

But to take with big tweezers ...

[Christophe]

About cars, one more info that I consider to be "touting":

The state car budget is not experiencing the crisis
France Info - July 21, 2009

The State pinned for bad behavior: an investigation of the magazine Auto Plus denounces the waste and the abuses in the public expenses related to the automobile. The ministers continue to drive in large luxury sedans, with expensive and not very ecological motorization. And when you have to go to the pump, no savings either ...

Zero points for the energy and economic balance of the state's car fleet. Useless car purchases and unjustified expenses are increasing, denounces Auto Plus magazine.

Abuses are legion: thus the new Minister of the Interior Brice Hortefeux has, according to the magazine, made spend 100.000 euros for the purchase of two Citroën C6 as of his arrival place Beauvau. The same model as the two sedans left by its predecessor, Michèle Alliot-Marie ...

http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?art ... s_theme=10

[Did67]

But to take with big tweezers ...

Having recently delivered with lots of calculations before making my choice (see my discussions with Citro), I compared.

I think it's not bad at all!

Of course, the hundreds and hundreds of imported models are not all in the tables. I imagine they did not always have the data.

Of course, these are the theoretical consumptions. But is there a big difference for a given driver? (I think the difference depends mainly on the driving style and not on the model - for my pat, I am in the mixed consumption for my daily use and clearly below on long distance; this is what is called the "cool driving"). Is there a way to publish something other than a "standardized" consumption ???

So at most, small tweezers!

And confirmation: a C1 to LPG passes clearly below the famous PRIUS! I am happy !!!

[Christophe]

And confirmation: a C1 to LPG passes clearly below the famous PRIUS! I am happy !!!

Uh they are not in the same categories and I have not seen C1 LPG in the French TOPTEN ...

There are plenty of "erdgaz" (which is already an abuse of language because erdgaz = natural gas) in the Swiss comparison on the other hand!

I do not understand the disparity of these classifications since it comes from the same (excellent) source: http://www.ate.ch whose ecomobilist is updated every year:

http://www.ate.ch/fr/politique-campagne ... ctive.html

You can even download it in an "offline" version! The "Online" version is really nice: http://download.macrofocus.com/infoscop ... %20Web.mis

"Funny" the CO2 levels of bioflex vehicles ... when you know the controversies surrounding 1st generation ethanol ...

For use, it's a bit confusing: personally I click on the bottom curves, and it gives you the corresponding models!

[Did67]

1) Yes, of course, it is not the same category. Still, I very often see Prius with only one person on board, who goes to work! In this case, or even two (carpooling), I say that the C1 is an affordable alternative (3 times a month expensive; converted to LPG, it is also less polluting) ... I say nothing more. It's not a "break" - but neither is the Prius!

2) No, indeed, it is not there, in the ranking. I calculate. By taking around 90% of the CO² of the petrol version. I put the results of my C5 analysis on the "GPL Sandero" thread ... I extrapolated ...

3) For Switzerland, this is not a mistake. No LPG in Switzerland (or almost not), they took another option: they run on compressed natural gas ...

[Christophe]

Ah ok I didn't know about Switzerland!

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[Philippe Schutt]

I did not find the link of the topten, but I came across this link there:
http://www.ate.ch/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=/uploads/tx_frpredakdata/20-25_autofriedhof_f.pdf&t=1248467019&hash=16df9937e5dfd576c324cb3ef8658bf4

Whose conclusion reframes the ranking well ...

[Woodcutter]

[...]
Consult the results:

- The TOP TEN site: http://www.guide-topten.com/ (must allow popups) [...]

I find the use of this site completely messy!
We do not understand anything and in addition a large number of French cars are missing ...

[Christophe]

Have you tried the .mis?

Seems pretty complete to me, doesn't it?

It goes from C1 to Master ...