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by martien007 » 24/09/08, 00:36

source: http://fr.cars.yahoo.com/19092008/382/c ... gpl-0.html

Fuels: boost for LPG

After years of lean cow, LPG started to rise again in 2008. Since the beginning of the year, the number of vehicles transformed has increased by 25%. Environmental awareness, rising prices at the pump, falling purchasing power, LPG could experience a fresh start.

Arriving at a time when respect for the environment was less of a concern for people, LPG has not won over. In addition, the numerous concerns of reliability and the few explosions of equipped cars ended up forcing this alternative fuel to a long crossing of the desert.

Only today, ecology is a major subject and LPG emits no particles due to its complete combustion, releases less CO2 than a petrol engine and its production is less polluting than that of petroleum. Considered as clean fuel by the public authorities, a bonus of 2 is granted for the purchase of a vehicle emitting less than 000 g / km or the transformation of a vehicle emitting less than 140 g / km. But perhaps more than its cleanliness, what interests consumers today is its price at the pump. Indeed, LPG is the cheapest fuel with an average price of 0,78 per liter against an average of 1,42 per liter of super.

For Joël Pedessac, director general of the French Butane and Propane Committee: “the environmental qualities of LPG, its price and its availability make it the alternative fuel of the present. It allows, while meeting the needs of mobility, security and preservation of purchasing power, to anticipate the necessary changes to which the fuels of the future are subject ”.

The objective for the CFBP is to multiply by ten the current fleet of LPG vehicles which is only around 140 units. If this figure may seem a bit ambitious, you should know that in Italy the number of LPG vehicles has reached a million and in Germany almost 200 in just three years. And for skeptics who criticize the low number of LPG pumps in France, you should know that Italy only has 000 pumps for ten times more equipped vehicles, France has more than 2.

According to the CFBP, the trigger to significantly increase the number of cars running on LPG is that the manufacturers produce more models fitted to the origin and that they communicate on it. For now, only one manufacturer is really investing in LPG, it's Chevrolet with the Matiz but also the Aveo (photo) and soon other models. To do well, French manufacturers who have a lot of power in their market should invest in this technology, but mentalities are hard to change.

In the meantime the LPG continues on its way and perhaps it hopes for further increases in fuel prices to convert more people and finally come out of the shadows. Strong consumer demand could then force manufacturers to expand their offer.

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by coucou789456 » 24/09/08, 01:54

Good evening
it would also require better installation in vehicles, provide the location of the tank which will otherwise amputate the trunk by a large place. for some vehicles, the location of the filling hole is already provided, but just that, not the rest.
I have for my leisure, an all terrain vehicle jeep cherokee, 2.5 gpl. there no problem, the location of the tank is provided below the trunk and does not appear on view. the original fuel tank has been replaced by one with a volume of only 30l, which is quite sufficient. on the other hand, the mechanical energy lost in the transmission is enormous.
remains a major concern for the expansion of the vehicle fleet, it is the location of the pumps. I am resident in Narbonne in the Aude, in 2007 there were 4 LPG pumps, 2 closed permanently and none works at night, only one is passable for motorhomes. even carrouf does not have one ... and if you plan to go to Spain or the Pyrenees, be foreseeable, otherwise, it runs out of fuel. in Spain, practically in 2007, there were only a dozen pumps throughout the territory, and in the direction of the ski resorts of the Pyrenees none either from Perpignan where, moreover, there are currently LPG unless of 70 cents.
the modified vehicle registration card is free in most departments, but it is the regions that decide. Languedoc Roussillon is one of the regions of France where there is nothing planned. not even the green sticker which made it possible to identify low-emission vehicles.
I paid my registration card for almost € 300, whereas at 200km, where I bought it used, it was free, towards Montauban.
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by oliburn » 24/09/08, 07:11

as soon as LPG takes off enough, its price will go up !!!
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by fabio.gel » 24/09/08, 08:56

LPG I know

Installed at the end of 1996 on my ford escort 1.4 with a Dutch KIT (I didn't trust the Italian kit at the time).

Negative side:

Hydraulic tappet motor so no valve adjustment every year (yes you have to think about its cost a max at the end of the day).

A cylinder head gasket (Yes, the LPG exotherm is more important than with gasoline resulting in engine cooling is not necessarily up to the job to release this excess calorie).

Reinforced valve (Yep, the valve seats are not made for this increase in temperature as a result of deformation that also costs a maximum)

At the beginning I refueled with 45 Frs for 400Km now I refuel with 30 € (196 Frs) LPG also took a big hit in the tiles.

Overconsumption 9 l / 100 in petrol and 11 l / 100 in LPG (this is no longer true with the latest system in multi-point injection consumption and identical between LPG and petrol).

Positive side :

Less expensive than other fuels.
Engine fouling almost zero (oil change every 2 years).
Quieter and more flexible engine (looks like a V6).
Less pollution in terms of discharges (compared to the same petrol engine).

Conclusion:
LPG is good but I advise you to buy a vehicle fitted as standard and take a long-term warranty like that all the hassle it can cause will be the responsibility of the dealer.

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by Leo Maximus » 25/09/08, 13:22

This is an engine info certainly, relatively old (2006), but interesting: there is (would be) a Swiss LPG kit for the Prius. This gives 91,2 g / km of measured CO2.

http://www.moteurnature.com/actu/2006/t ... aturel.php

Toyota is a specialist in gas cars (GNP and LPG) they have made millions of them but in France it does not appear in their catalog.
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by I Citro » 25/09/08, 13:56

Leo Maximus wrote:Toyota is a specialist in gas cars (GNP and LPG) they have made millions of them but in France it does not appear in their catalog.


Ah! I did not know, they are in any case famous for the fragility of their cylinder heads on LPG vehicles ...
A friend had one of the first RAV4 he 'had it fitted with a guarantee, the breech dropped. after replacement and reinforced valves, he traveled more than 200 km before reselling the car. 8)

LPG comes from petroleum, so it is not a fuel for the future.

Signed by an LPG user (more than 200 km to LPG, and it's not over).
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by martien007 » 25/09/08, 14:01

citro wrote:
Leo Maximus wrote:Toyota is a specialist in gas cars (GNP and LPG) they have made millions of them but in France it does not appear in their catalog.


Ah! I did not know, they are in any case famous for the fragility of their cylinder heads on LPG vehicles ...
A friend had one of the first RAV4 he 'had it fitted with a guarantee, the breech dropped. after replacement and reinforced valves, he traveled more than 200 km before reselling the car. 8)

LPG comes from petroleum, so it is not a fuel for the future.

Signed by an LPG user (more than 200 km to LPG, and it's not over).

What is causing this return is simply the low price of LPG, and nothing else.
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by Leo Maximus » 25/09/08, 14:27

citro wrote:
Leo Maximus wrote:Toyota is a specialist in gas cars (GNP and LPG) they have made millions of them but in France it does not appear in their catalog.


Ah! I did not know, they are in any case famous for the fragility of their cylinder heads on LPG vehicles ...
A friend had one of the first RAV4 he 'had it fitted with a guarantee, the breech dropped. after replacement and reinforced valves, he traveled more than 200 km before reselling the car. 8)

LPG comes from petroleum, so it is not a fuel for the future.

Signed by an LPG user (more than 200 km to LPG, and it's not over).

On the Toyota site www.toyota.fr there are only petrol and diesel vehicles. It is a fact that there are Toyota LPG but apparently not original and I heard a Toyota sales manager advise against adapting the LPG of its cars (emission Your Auto on RMC).
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by I Citro » 26/09/08, 23:34

martien007 wrote:What is causing this return is simply the low price of LPG, and nothing else.


Absolutely!!!

Leo Maximus wrote:On the Toyota site www.toyota.fr there are only petrol and diesel vehicles. It is a fact that there are Toyota LPG but apparently not original and I heard a Toyota sales manager advise against adapting the LPG of its cars (emission Your Auto on RMC).

Yes, the French network is not pro LPG, this is not the case in all European countries.
In France, the majority of sellers can only sell diesel vehicles in mechanical boxes ...
Me who appreciates LPG and Auto boxes (well yes we are in the 21st century and mopeds have been around since the 50s) ... :? :x
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by coucou789456 » 27/09/08, 04:18

citro wrote:In France, the majority of sellers can only sell diesel vehicles in mechanical boxes ...
Me who appreciates LPG and Auto boxes (well yes we are in the 21st century and mopeds have been around since the 50s) ... :? :x


in the 21st century, but still obscurantism, passing a license on an automatic gearbox will still be considered as a disabled license! and do not talk to sellers of sp95 in go or acetone in gasoline: it warns asylum immediately.
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