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when will the government be able to do anything other than tax?

we are already many to know that the polished automobile ... there is no need to increase the price of fuel to convince us!

to reduce diesel consumption, other means of transport must be put in place

the government has all authority on the sncf ... it would be enough to make it properly performing on the transport of goods to make disappear the 3/4 of the trucks which obstruct the roads

the efficiency of passenger transport also needs to be improved to make it more practical and reduce car use

taxing fuel without building an alternative is outright harassment

improving the transport of goods by train will put them on the road in unemployment ... no they will be hired at the SNCF, and will not be more unhappy than in their truck crushed by an impossible search for productivity to compensate for the price of fuel

when i see that the angouleme container station was deleted about ten years ago ... since when a company has a container delivered from the north it goes down by train to bordeaux and goes back to angouleme in truck ... this is ecology

so the state must set a good example ... and not do anything itself and make taxes to try to impose being good on those who can do nothing

to return to diesel: it would be enough for the state to require the car manufacturer to build small 300KG small cars inexpensively: and there are some who will buy them! no additional fuel tax required

alas the state does not encourage the construction of small cars and worse it prohibits it by imposing safety standards unnecessarily adapted to high speed, therefore imposing to do heavy

chatelot16 wrote:Hello

when will the government be able to do anything other than tax?
we are already many to know that the polished automobile ... there is no need to increase the price of fuel to convince us!

Only the increase in prices at the pump will reduce the use of fossil fuel in favor of public transport.

Where it gets stuck is that the government increases everything (the SNCF increases its prices every 6 months ...), which will lead us straight into the wall, and more particularly the modest households.

The solution would have been to double the price of fuels in order to subsidize public transport, which should be free in urban and semi-urban areas and half price on long-distance rail.
But its measures should have been in place for at least 15 years ...
This would have created non-relocatable jobs and made us ready for depletion.
From now on we will not have to pay a very salty one ... in a context of crisis which is more.

Unfortunately we are run by amateurs, whose room for maneuver is so reduced that it will soon be too late to avoid the worst.

chatelot you are generally right, however the State is in the same situation as when it was the boss of the Seita and that it had on one side to encourage to reduce, see stop, smoking while this reduced the volume of taxes due to him (regardless of profits). Reducing vehicle consumption (requires CO2) also means reducing revenues through taxes and increasing deficits. The increase in vehicle weight justifies by a safety argument, a slight drop in consumption (do not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, all the same !!!)
Finally, not taxing diesels like gasoline is tantamount to overtaxing petrol vehicles precisely (not counting the necessary imports of diesel). We turn arround!
Ps: The impact tests are not done at high speed, but at 64km / h of memory, city speed!

sen no sen

whose room for maneuver is so reduced that it will soon be too late to avoid the worst

assuming that this is not already the case!

I agree that the price difference between diesel and petrol is stupid ... it's both oil, so it will end at the same price as in many other countries

the price difference was explained a long time ago because all the engines were petrol, so the refineries did not know what to do with diesel ... now it's the opposite, everyone wants diesel and we no longer know who to sell gasoline to

but petrol or diesel is not the problem ... the real problem is to make economic public transport ... not a too expensive TGV ... and non-existent complementary transport

one solution would be to subsidize taxis ... instead of taxing them excessively: cheap taxis are the good way to promote public transport when they do not go to your destination

This is all a bit true.

But there remains an "anomaly": why Diesel is taxed less than gasoline ???

Originally :

a) the weight of the truckers' lobby (remember some severe strikes, with bloacges - refineries, Rungis ...).

b) the "specialty" of a very French manufacturer (Peugeot, before being PSA) ...


I do not know the overall measures. It is likely that the government is also looking for the 6 billion that is missing to bring the 2013 budget back to what is "acceptable" by Brussels (I remind you: far from balance; still well above the 3% of the promised GDP. .).

Otherwise, I would find it quite logical to rebalance [very logical even, since I myself banished the Diesel at home].

Here, diesel is sold more expensive than petrol, which is logical since diesel contains more energy, before it was the opposite, petrol was sold more expensive because demand was less strong for diesel.



The tendency of car manufacturers here is to offer diesel engines, which is a way to reduce the consumption of vehicles without a big investment since in Europe research and development is already acquired.

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I have nothing to complain about when the logic expressed by chatelot,
that diesel or gasoline is still petroleum.

By cons I come back to what you say Sen-no-sen, your logic is possible to set up for cities, but for the countryside?

I live in the countryside, with a lot of ascent and descent, take a bike yes why not, on the other hand I would have to leave at least half an hour, see more, ahead of the current schedule ... Then, public transport why not also this saying it will be super hard to do it given the number of potential users and the number of different timetables etc etc ...
Then if I take the case of craftsman of the building for example, how did you put all the necessary masts in public transport ???

Personally I thought of the horse trailer that you leave near the site you only use the horse in the end to make the trips;) ...

All electric, I support it and I would like to be able to access it, but given my limited means and the state of things at present as who would say it is not won.

The world as it is made does not give us too much choice in fact to be able to choose, except when we decide to change our life entirely and get out of the world around us ....

So I see therein a problem a few can insoluble in the current state of things ....

we do not all live in town (I especially do not want it moreover it is not a way of life which for me is viable).

therefore taxed are going to bring in money to feed the rotten system at the base .... is this the solution? just gonna make mister life even harder everyone here is especially the result ....

It remains the oil from oilseed algae can be?

the subject is posed on the table it is a fact but posed true assertions for a part of the population but inaplicable for a good part of the rest of this same population is not for me one of the best solutions ...

Ultimately put variable taxes depending on location and use, the share against I would already be more favorable.

Then I have a lot of friends who are part of circuses, so of culture (these are not circuses with animals but intellectual circus if we can say, not circus show) ...

However, to transport a marquee to accommodate the public you need an adequate means if you do not want to live on the road 365 days a year ...

So at a time it is also the culture that will suffer ... as well as personal services, example for the protage of meals for the elderly isolated in their country house (what to put them in houses of forced retirement? would you like that?) ...

Not taxing is not the solution either I agree ...
But before taxing it may be necessary to promote the implementation of new technologies allowing replacement, and yes tax thoroughly people who do not want to use these alternatives ...

To reduce diesel pollution, Gillier-Pantone water doping should be made compulsory. But that would not fill the coffers of the State or those of our car manufacturers.

of course it is necessary that the craftsmen have vehicles to do their work ... and diesel remains the best solution

but the EDF who no longer wants to put a provisional meter on the construction site? So all the craftsmen use generator sets, isn't that a little stupid?

of course when edf put a meter at the start of the construction site, we did not have electricity without waiting for the verification of the consuel ... still an administrative hassle to put on the stake

how many thousand liters of gasoline wasted in the generators of all construction sites?

the state must not cause waste with regulations whose consequences it does not understand

the state must not cause waste with regulations whose consequences it does not understand

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The fact of increasing the taxes without real counterpart viable will drive a slice of the population to be impoverished a little more (and isolate themselves in the passage) here is especially what that will do, and among other things to increase a little more plus fuel theft ... All this in the end if we can make a brutal shortcut to allow parliamentarians to touch their 9000 euros pension at 50 years ...


If still the taxes were used to set up replacement means, but this is not even the case ....

That said from the point it is not done ...

source:

http://www.lepoint.fr/auto-addict/strat ... 62_659.php

But that does not take away from the problem that must be put on the table clearly in order to find viable and lasting solutions so that everyone does not suffer from it.

To make efforts yes have the must all, to undergo without being able to have an alternative solution is to suffer from a new evil which will only increase the differences and the problems ...