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by caracole » 12/01/12, 21:45

Hello,

I do not advertise, I want to seek information and as I know that here there are specialists, I would like opinions on the device ECO-CAR.
Here is translated into French some extracts from the commercial arguments ...

What do you think ?

Pierre
... It is a device composed of minerals which in contact with the fuel acts as a static inhibitor ....

... increases the power, performance and useful life of any combustion engine ...

... contains no chemicals ...

... increases engine power and reduces fuel consumption by up to 20% (diesel and diesel) ...

... reduces contaminating emissions by up to 80% ...


In view of all these advantages, a municipality in Spain ( I live in Spain ) has decided to equip its vehicles.

discovered here:
http://www.psoe.es/torrox/news/631745/p ... spana.html

then here (.fr does not exist): http://www.eco-car.es/
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by dedeleco » 13/01/12, 03:08

My Spanish will make progress !!
And econology will become Spanish !!
Miraculous craft !!!
watching the chemical-free fuel pass !!
it reduces engine wear and pollution by improving combustion !!
et especially 20% fuel savings !!
It is an inhibitor of static fields in the fuel, it provides the electrons for combustion, statement opposite to the previous one, because if it supplies electrons, it increases the electric field in the fuel, with electrons which charge the fuel ?? ??,
It creates new molecular properties, impossible without putting a lot of energy into it.
so incomprehensible, muddy sentences !!!
Similar to the other magnetic device, we know nothing ?????
Trust, eyes closed.

What is Eco-Car?
Eco-Car is a dispositivo compuesto de minerales que, al contacto con el combustible, actúa como inhibidor estático de los campos de influencia externa que afectan a fluidos, líquidos y gases combustibles.

Eco-Car aumenta the potencia, las prestaciones y la vida use of cualquier motor de combustión.

Eco-Car does not contain chemical products.

Eco-Car reduce el consumo de fuel hasta un 20%

Eco-Car is an economizer of fuel, that proporces an important ahorro in gasoline and diesel.

Eco-Car improves the combustion process to dispose of the electrons of manera that can mezclarse de forma óptima con el oxigeno.

From this forma consigue a combustión más eficiente del combustible


Eco-Car reduce las emisiones contaminants hasta un

Eco-Car de manera significantly reduce the contaminant emissions of CO2 in todo tipo de vehículos, maquinaria y grupos electrógenos.

Así mismo Eco-Car disminuye notably the partículas generadas por la combustión de los motores diesel, ayudando a contrar la contaminación en la atmósfera, consumiendo, à la vez, menos combustible y aumentando la eficiencia.


What is the ecological car?
Eco-Car is a device composed of minerals which, in contact with the fuel, acts as an inhibitor of static fields without influence affecting fluid, liquid and combustible gases.

Eco-Car increases the power, performance and service life of a combustion engine.

Eco-Car does not contain chemicals.

Eco-Car reduces fuel consumption by up to 20%

Eco-Car is a fuel saver, which provides significant savings in gasoline and diesel.

Eco-Car improves the combustion process by providing electrons so that they can optimally mixed with oxygen.

In this way, achieves more efficient combustion


Eco-Car reduces emissions to

Eco-Car significantly reduces CO2 emissions in all types of vehicles, machines and generators.

Eco-Car itself considerably reduces the particles generated by the combustion of diesel engines, helping to control air pollution, combustion, at one time, less fuel and increase efficiency.
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by elephant » 13/01/12, 08:32

Minerals: probably iron, neodymium,

or cobalt, nickel ......

probably a magnet?

One Caracole solution: you invest, you test double blind and you publish the results in 6 months : Mrgreen:

I'm afraid this is just one more scam! : Evil:
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by caracole » 13/01/12, 23:14

No Elephant, there is no magnet (s) it says in the sales brochure (pdf) that dedeleco forgot to add: Eco-car does not contain chemicals or magnets ( magnets ) ...

I wrote to this box (they are looking for distributors), I await their response, at worst Monday I phone them.

This invention? has (I quote) had the price of the best industrial and commercial innovation granted by the Barcelona Chamber of Commerce in 2010. This installation (inserted in the fuel return tube? weird ...) does not need to be legalized here in Spain (real Decret 736/1988) modified in 2002 ...
Eco-Car is a safe product, does not generate any type of physical or chemical risk and does not release any type of product.
It requires no precaution in its handling or storage.
The activity inhibitor of Eco-car has a lifespan of 3 years.

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The consumption and emission certifications have been carried out by Automovilidad- I will inquire.

have you tried the fuel economy calculator?
http://www.eco-car.es/web/index.php?opt ... icle&id=53

and saw the very attractive photos?
http://www.eco-car.es/web/index.php?opt ... 68&lang=fr

finally to finish:
here in french the version for boilers
http://eco-caldera.es/FR/index.html
not much on this page better, nothing!

If it's a scam, we will hear me here !!!

Good night

ps: An interesting page, Spanish, English a lot of info: IDAE (Institute for Diversification and Energy Saving)
http://www.idae.es/index.php
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by dedeleco » 14/01/12, 01:45

No consistent scientific information giving confidence!
Total mystery.

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I agree that it's weird:
(inserted in the fuel return tube? weird ...)


I don't understand anything about this system and I would never have imagined such a small cylinder on the return of the fuel capable of reducing consumption by 20%.

To measure scientifically, but I highly doubt !!!

But, on a fixed engine test bench, only rigorous consumption measurements also accurately measuring the power and total energy expended, for the amount of fuel allows to have a valid opinion.

If you do not measure the total energy supplied by the motor, you may be wrong.
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by caracole » 14/01/12, 11:20

Hello,

For my part, I will try well on my diesel generator. I know what it consumes in an hour: 1 liter exactly at 1500 rpm for 10KW

What amazes me is this connection on the return to the tank. I will have to have a return in my tank more or less 20cl / h of diesel which has not been burned.
Am I wrong.?

For their Eco-Caldera site, you saw, it is not finished! personally, I have never put online or advised (professional training) to put a 3/4 online site unfinished!
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by elephant » 14/01/12, 13:12

Caracole said:

I know what it consumes in an hour: 1 liter exactly at 1500 rpm for 10KW


Hello! this figure seems strange to me: the energy capacity of GO is around 10-12 KWh / liter.
Considering the efficiency of internal combustion engines and that of the alternator, you should consume at least double for this load.
You can only do this test if you have a fixed and known charge
(preferably almost the maximum of the load accepted by the group to eliminate the error of the minimum empty consumption)
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by caracole » 14/01/12, 13:28

Very fair elephant! the power 12Kw is that of the generator, but what my pump consumes (sorting) is around 5,2kw (380 * 10 * 0.8 * 1.732) = 5265W.
It remains to be seen what I can save with such a device ...
I'm still looking for ways to reduce my diesel costs by reducing consumption (0,6 € per liter in 2006, 1,04 € today!) I have not found a solution except: an infaible system: I will now buy 20 € of diesel fuel every time I fill up! :)
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by caracole » 14/01/12, 13:58

It's amazing what we can discover on the NET a superb Eco-CAR communication campaign here on the occasion of forum Madrid international transport. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 1-vIMTEz0#!

lots of blabla, food, Eco-Car packages forums in Almeria, Madrid a commercial target: driving school associations ...

I would like to once again ensure product performance!

So, the French you move your c ... !! :)

The Japanese are strong too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ7NH0VYG7A

what amazes me is that site (eco-car.es) uses a video from the Directorate General of Traffic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAudHQkv ... r_embedded in a way to "guarantee" the product ...
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by caracole » 14/01/12, 14:15

Finally to end this productive Saturday, here is a link or buy this product for 149 €!

http://www.motortech.es/ECO-CAR-1/Como- ... ar-ECO-CAR

I will immediately inquire (I did not say acquire!) Of the thing ...

Good week-end
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