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Recovery 12V very deep cycle batteries




by Christophe » 20/05/09, 10:56

I got a Pulsar EX30 MGE inverter (Merlin Guerin, made in France!), It is a real on-line inverter designed for network rooms. It is a 40 kg monster!

With the bosch drum, it’s my period of luck, recuperated, looks like! This inverter is obviously intended for the E project (as Echassier or (h) Eron) (I decided this is the official name following the find by Flytox of the emblem that would stick nikel to the project: https://www.econologie.com/forums/humour-t1191-2180.html ) : Mrgreen:

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Capacity: 1950W, 3000VA, True Online double rectification. Here is a commercial doc (slightly newer models because the EX30 is at 2100W, whatever): https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... QfWNAm.pdf

When connected to the mains, the EX30 does not react at all, not even a "beep".

To start, I tackle the internal batteries to see if they are recoverable ...

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There are 8 Yuasa 12V 7Ah lead batteries in series (it is the same "mold" as the cyclic solar batteries offered on the store), or 96V. These are "stand by" batteries.

Their unit voltage is very very low: 0.7V to 1.8V !! : Shock:

It's extremely weak and I didn't think I could get it back, but apparently it's possible !!

So I proceeded as follows in several stages.

Method followed (apparently successful?):

a) stabilized voltage supply set 13 to 15V for approximately 10h: very low intensity

b) as the intensity increases: it starts at 0.1mA and goes up gradually, I stopped when it was around 300mA (which corresponds to a voltage at the no-load terminals at around 11.5V) by increasing a little (0.5V) every X hours the voltage

c) recharging by a tecmate (variable voltage battery optimizer charger, voltage delta and battery diagnosis after charging)

And against all odds apparently ... it works! Is it related to the fact that it is "stand by" batteries I do not know but it works when I had little hope of recovery!

The 1st of the 8 batteries has passed the test carried out by c) with success (it tests the battery at the end of the charge), the 2nd is currently in phase c) and 4 other batteries are in phase a).

I just have a doubt just for the one at 0.7V. I will do it last.

For the first 2 I used 2 stabilized laboratory power supplies (1 per battery). There I tested a second method for a).

I put 2 batteries in series (powered by 26 to 28 V) and 2 in parallel, we will see which method works best. I hope not to shoot down already weakened batteries!

In series it seems not bad because the voltage at the terminal of each battery varies (from 12 to 15V) and that is good (this is what the tecmate does in regenerative charge mode, deep discharge).

By cons must be monitored regularly so that it does not go up too much (neither in voltage nor in intensity).

Here is think of this small method before throwing a lead battery but above all do not try to recharge it with a "bourin" charger which is in constant intensity or worse at fast charge! (there is no better way to finish a weakened battery!). For a), if you don't have a stabilized lab power supply, I think we can use a stabilized feed of this type in 12V DC mode.

In fact, what is the "admissible" maximum voltage for a lead battery and for how long?

Here is the rest soon! For the rest of the inverter, if it's not an internal fuse (I've seen at least one) I'd do a "EX30 repair" topic. For the moment (with the flat batteries from flat) he was not reacting at all. I do not know the history of this inverter, I only know that it was stored for a long time without being plugged in.

ps: to anticipate a possible future question, the tecmate does not even react if you plug a 2V battery on it ...
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Re: Recovery of 12V batteries in very deep discharge




by Christine » 20/05/09, 11:10

Christophe wrote: the E project (as Echassier or (h) Eron)


As long as it is not the (h) Enron project !!!

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by Christophe » 20/05/09, 11:11

Small note: if the voltage is "correct and stabilized" it does not mean that the batteries have regained their initial capacity. The tecmate test is obviously only done on the voltage (and delta).

For the capacity, we will see later but I do not believe too much in the "miracle". But in my case since I only want to use them as a "buffer", the capacity is not very important.
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Re: Recovery of 12V batteries in very deep discharge




by Christophe » 20/05/09, 11:12

Christine wrote:As long as it is not the (h) Enron project !!!

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AH AH AH! I was sure someone was going to get it out (easy) ... but I didn't think it would be you! : Cheesy:

Note the money is not likely to evaporate in this project since there is none ... although I do the accounts I am already at 160 € for the moment (the most expensive expense 110 € it was the floats!). Thin it's not nothing already, finally when we love ...
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by Christophe » 20/05/09, 14:25

Latest news: the intensity of the 2 battery in series goes up much faster than the intensity of the 2 in parallel.

It goes up about 5 times faster in series! As the batteries were roughly in the same state at the start of charging and a coefficient of 5 is still not nothing (500%!), I suppose that the fluctuations of "self-balanced" voltages at the terminals of the 2 in series is there for something? What do the specialists think? There is still uncertainty on the state of the battery but still ...

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Basically we have:

In series: 50 mA at 27.9 V or 0.7W per battery
In //: 20 mA at 13.98 V or 0.14W per battery

I say roughly because the intensity reading is quite imprecise with the stabilized power supply (given the low values) but it still allows us to have an idea. In addition this calculation does not allow to see if there is an imbalance between the 2 batteries.

Here is step c) with the tecmate optimizer (I bought it in Germany when I was still in Strasbourg):

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by Alain G » 20/05/09, 15:07

Bonjour Christophe

In case you have to change batteries, there are the same models at Conrad.

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by Christophe » 22/05/09, 10:44

Ay it's over! 2 days and 2 nights of charging and testing!

I managed to recharge 6 of the 8 batteries.

Those which were not rechargeable are (obviously) those which had the lowest no-load residual voltage, namely 0.7V and 1.1V.

The voltages at their terminals after "attempted recharging" are respectively 6.4V and 10.50V. The 2nd is "can" be recoverable ... but hey ... I did not insist I put the 2 batteries of the chinese electric scooter

And .... the EX30 works! So the On Line inverters must have correct batteries to simply be able to start (there is nothing else, not even a "beep")!
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by Flytox » 22/05/09, 11:00

Bonjour Christophe

Christophe wrote:And .... the EX30 works! So the On Line inverters must have correct batteries to simply be able to start (there is nothing else, not even a "beep")!

For some inverters (low end?), The price of spare part batteries is about 2/3 of the price of new. Therefore, the maintenance department of some factories "saves money" by replacing the assembly with a new inverter. The old inverter in perfect condition (except batteries) ends up in the trash after 6 or 7 years .... : Cry: This is why we can find them in good condition without a battery in all recovery pharmacies.
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by Christophe » 22/05/09, 11:08

Yes Flytox, a bit like for printers and cartridges ...

On the other hand, I don't know if you looked at the .pdf above but the EX30 is "pro" stuff (I found a site that advertises it at $ 1600)
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by hubby77 » 12/01/10, 06:57

Hello, I am interested in buying in the shop a 12v solar panel + a 7a solar voltage regulator + a 12v 7ah battery.

As I am not very experienced in this area, I would like to know if this kit would allow me to power a 12v bulb to for example light a cupboard, or even several lamps?

Merci de votre réponse :D
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