Europe is preparing Internet censorship with Google and Facebook

Hi-tech electronic and computer equipment and Internet. Better use of electricity, help with the work and specifications, equipment selection. Presentations fixtures and plans. Waves and electromagnetic pollution.
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79292
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11028

Europe is preparing Internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Christophe » 15/12/18, 13:51

We now understand the tax gifts of these 2 GAFA from Europe: they will have a public interest censorship mission ... : Cheesy:

In short 1984 is slowly but surely looming on the horizon: http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefilm_g ... =1791.html

1984.jpg
1984.jpg (18.66 KB) Viewed times 5516


Small sites like this forum will obviously not enter this game but if google censor them, they will no longer be found ....

Little anecdote:

Econologie lost 50% of its visitors from Google (therefore 48% of its total visitors) in November 2012 for a reason that I have still not explained nor therefore resolved ...

I'm not getting into paranoia, I'm just saying that I haven't found the answer after tens of hours of research ... and that this is an example that shows how google controls the vast majority of sites. .. (except facebook, twitter, instagram which have their "captive herd" ...)

To be continued?

EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS AGREE TO DELIVER WEB CENSORSHIP TO GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK
December 6, 2018


We have never seen a European regulation be accepted so quickly by European governments (in less than 3 months!), And this despite the concerns expressed by various States (1). Macron has clearly convinced them that, the approaching European elections, they could maintain their power by agitating the unalterable terrorist pretext. The result is widespread censorship and surveillance of the Internet.


The Council of the European Union has therefore just acted, immediately and without the least serious debate, a bill which will oblige all actors of the Web to submit to the automated surveillance and censorship tools provided by Facebook and Google (2), while allowing the police to demand the removal in one hour of the contents which they will consider "terrorist", without the authorization of a judge.

Two measures as delusional as they are new, which will lead to subjecting the entire European digital ecosystem to a handful of giants that the Union cynically claims to want to fight (read our analysis), while risking jeopardizing the confidentiality of our correspondence ( 3)… And all this when neither the European Commission nor the governments have ever succeeded in demonstrating how this law would be useful in the fight against terrorism (4).

The debate on this text will now continue before the European Parliament. The latter will vote next Wednesday, December 12, a first "report on the fight against terrorism" which, without having the effect of a law, promotes more or less the same absurd measures as those provided for in the "regulation of anti-terrorist censorship ”, which Parliament will examine in the following weeks.

This first vote on Wednesday will be an opportunity for each MEP to reveal their position on the totalitarian project of Emmanuel Macron, and they will have to account for it as the electoral campaign for the 2019 European elections begins.

References
1. ↑ Are notably opposed to the current version of the text Finland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Denmark
2. ↑ As early as June 2017, the European Commission publicly congratulated itself on “having worked for two years with key web platforms within the Forum European Internet ", which brings together Google, Facebook, Twitter and Microsoft since 2015," to ensure the voluntary removal of terrorist content online ", in particular through" the initiative led by the industry to create a " database of hashes "which guarantees that terrorist content removed on one platform is not put back online on another platform".
For the Commission, already, "the objective is for platforms to do more, in particular by upgrading the automatic detection of terrorist content, by sharing the technologies and tools concerned with smaller companies and by fully using the" base digital fingerprint data ”” (all of these quotes are free translations from English).
3. ↑ We note here a slight evolution since our last analysis concerning the risks for the confidentiality of our communications. In the version of the regulation adopted today by the Council of the EU, recital 10 has been modified and seems to attempt to exclude from the scope of this text interpersonal communication services: "Interpersonal communication services that enable direct interpersonal and interactive exchange of information between a finite number of persons, whereby the persons initiating or participating in the communication determine its recipient (s), are not in scope ”.
This precision is however particularly hazardous and is not reassuring. First, the clarification is not taken up in Article 2 of the regulation which defines the different concepts of the text. Above all, this clarification is not consistent: the “interpersonal communications service” is already defined by the European code of electronic communications (article 2 and recital 17), as being able then to cover certain cloud services (where a limited number of users can exchange documents, typically). However, the version of the regulation recorded today explicitly states that it applies to cloud services, while claiming not to apply to interpersonal communications. The confusion is total.
4. ↑ In 2017, UNESCO published a report analyzing 550 published studies on the issue of radicalization online. The report concludes that "the current state of evidence on the link between the Internet, social media and violent radicalization is very limited and still not conclusive" and that there is "no sufficient evidence to conclude that there is a causal link between extremist propaganda or social media recruitment and the violent radicalization of young people. ” The report stresses that "attempts to prevent the radicalization of young people on the Internet aspects have not proven to be effective but, on the other hand, can clearly harm online freedoms, particularly freedom of expression" (our translation of English).


Source: https://www.laquadrature.net/2018/12/06 ... -facebook/
0 x
User avatar
Exnihiloest
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 5365
Registration: 21/04/15, 17:57
x 660

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Exnihiloest » 15/12/18, 18:48

Christophe wrote:...
Small sites like this forum will obviously not enter this game but if google censor them, they will no longer be found ....

No, I don't believe it, this site would benefit from the polluting data centers of the multinational Google ?!
We can however ask Google not to be listed, it's just a file to place at the root of the site ... : Cheesy:
0 x
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79292
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11028

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Christophe » 15/12/18, 19:18

Profiting is not the right verb! Depend yes! Like 99% of websites except the major social networks which have their own "internal" traffic! When you want to go on youtube you don't go through google anymore (but you can do it ...)

If this offends you so much: how did you come across this site? Tell us ... : Cheesy:

You want this forum less dependent on Google: sharing of url (publications) coming from the site on facebook and twitter ... This is currently the only alternative (+ other social networks like pinterest ... etc ...) ... Obviously very very little of members of forums take the trouble to do so ...

Never mind... : Cheesy:
0 x
ENERC
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 725
Registration: 06/02/17, 15:25
x 255

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by ENERC » 15/12/18, 19:29

Small test with search engines: I'm looking for "The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2" : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

Google: Econology leads with an entry
Qwant: Econology leads with 2 entries
DuckDuckgo: an Amazon ad in mind, then 3 Econology entries
LeMoteur: an Amazon ad, then an entry

On "the lazy man's vegetable garden"
Google: 6th position, but a video of did67 highlighted
Qwant: just after an ad
DuckDuckgo: in position 2, and full of did67 video

Isn't that bad?
0 x
User avatar
Grelinette
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2007
Registration: 27/08/08, 15:42
Location: Provence
x 272

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Grelinette » 16/12/18, 11:52

ENERC wrote:Small test with search engines: I'm looking for "The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2" : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

Google: Econology leads with an entry
Qwant: Econology leads with 2 entries
DuckDuckgo: an Amazon ad in mind, then 3 Econology entries
LeMoteur: an Amazon ad, then an entry

On "the lazy man's vegetable garden"
Google: 6th position, but a video of did67 highlighted
Qwant: just after an ad
DuckDuckgo: in position 2, and full of did67 video

Isn't that bad?


Very interesting this classification of results according to the search engine used for the research of the subject!

A priori this must come from the counting of requests concerning the subject searched by Internet users on such or such an engine, but there may be other factors ... Perhaps also the syntax used to define the same subject, for example example "vegetable garden of the lazy", "vegetable garden without fatigue", "easy agriculture", "permaculture", etc.

It would be very interesting to have a tool that scans the various subjects treated, on econology and others forums, and which gives statistics on the results obtained. It can possibly allow to discover the trends of topics treated on each site.

What is the most "popular" subject on econology?

There are undoubtedly several responses depending on the dominant parameter: number of responses, readings, participants, volumes of data posted (length of responses and comments), frequency of reading, number of occurrences given by search engines, etc. We can also have an indicator of the rate of "conflict", or conversely of "consensus" on a subject depending on the site, etc.

I imagine that the big players on the web do this type of statistics, after all it is a question of relevance of analysis of interpretation.
0 x
Project of the horse-drawn-hybrid - The project econology
"The search for progress does not exclude the love of tradition"
User avatar
Grelinette
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 2007
Registration: 27/08/08, 15:42
Location: Provence
x 272

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Grelinette » 16/12/18, 12:13

and I add ... that we can even establish a profile of the user on the same principle!

For example, profile of the user "Grelinette":
- The subjects which stimulate it the most, those where it is most active, or reactive, ...
- Number and length of comments, per day, month, according to themes, ...
- Aggression rate, opposition rate, consensus rate, ...
- his friends / enemies, ...

and even more "personal" data: time slots for intervention (morning, day, evening, night), affinity with other Internet users (often agree with ..., often opposed to ..., very aggressive with. .., very cordial with ..., subjects where he is comfortable, those where he gets entangled in foggy arguments, etc ...

I remember that in college (commerce), we had made, after a series of tests, a diagram of the affinities of the students with each other with a classification by groups. It was fun, perhaps without much interest, except when a psychologist made a more in-depth analysis of a particular student or of a special relationship between 2 students to explain the mechanisms and the more or less unconscious reasons. Inevitably, it was to clarify the consumer profile of an individual or a group in order to define a marketing strategy (product, price, communication, etc.).

Come on Christophe, give us a diagram of econologist internet users! : Cheesy:

You can also even make a small monthly box with: the subject of the month: the most active, the most consensual, the most confrontational, the most active Internet user, the most controversial (depending on the subject), the most unifying, etc.
1 x
Project of the horse-drawn-hybrid - The project econology
"The search for progress does not exclude the love of tradition"
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79292
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 11028

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Christophe » 02/12/20, 13:08

0 x
ENERC
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 725
Registration: 06/02/17, 15:25
x 255

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by ENERC » 02/12/20, 19:44


Getting your personal data sucked so you can show your ass, tits or dog to the whole planet is totally stupid.
I hope we will pull ourselves together one day.

I strongly believe in blockchain as a future social media technology. We talk about it here : https://www.forbes.fr/technologie/la-bl ... x-sociaux/ Will Blockchain Reinvent Social Networks?

The advantage of the blockchain is that it is encrypted and that you can ask for a white paw before co-opting someone in your group. It is the principle of "people of confidence" in generalized. it's not going to please politicians and the police because the data is distributed, redundant and encrypted.
Technically, it's easy to make a cat or a forum with a blockchain (you just need to have fairly frequent blocks - not 10 minutes like on bitcoin). It is more complicated for the video because it is stored on each participant.

If the coping and censorship gets too strong, this is the solution: small group blockchain.
1 x
Janic
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 19224
Registration: 29/10/10, 13:27
Location: bourgogne
x 3491

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Janic » 04/12/20, 15:05

and viva el covid! : Cheesy:
0 x
"We make science with facts, like making a house with stones: but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a pile of stones is a house" Henri Poincaré
User avatar
Exnihiloest
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 5365
Registration: 21/04/15, 17:57
x 660

Re: Europe is preparing internet censorship with Google and Facebook




by Exnihiloest » 07/12/20, 14:52

ENERC wrote:...
Getting your personal data sucked so you can show your ass, tits or dog to the whole planet is totally stupid.
I hope we will pull ourselves together one day.

Today everyone knows that facebook & Co exploit our personal data, and yet many people continue. I think a lot of it doesn't care.

I strongly believe in blockchain as a future social media technology. We talk about it here : https://www.forbes.fr/technologie/la-bl ... x-sociaux/ Will Blockchain Reinvent Social Networks?

The advantage of the blockchain is that it is encrypted and that you can ask for a white paw before co-opting someone in your group. It is the principle of "people of confidence" in generalized. it's not going to please politicians and the police because the data is distributed, redundant and encrypted.
Technically, it's easy to make a cat or a forum with a blockchain (you just need to have fairly frequent blocks - not 10 minutes like on bitcoin). It is more complicated for the video because it is stored on each participant.

If the coping and censorship gets too strong, this is the solution: small group blockchain.

It looks very interesting. It remains to be seen whether it is as practical as traditional networks.
As long as the physical network remains dependent on operators and therefore accessible by governments, coping and censorship can still take place. It's just that you always have to be a little ahead of current practices and this is going in the right direction. But when current practices become the norm, they are always picked up and regulated by power.
0 x

 


  • Similar topics
    Replies
    views
    Last message

Back to "Electricity, electronics and computers: Hi-tech, Internet, DIY, lighting, materials, and new"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 151 guests