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Cyberlegality: Wikileaks hosted at OVH in France




by Christophe » 03/12/10, 19:54

Here are the bottom of the case wikileaks (not sure that this info is relayed to the news tonight ... well we'll see) who after losing his domain name and his accommodation in the US ... comes to France.

This therefore concerns its partial accommodation in France since yesterday at OVH in France. News made the rounds of the "computer" net in a few hours.

Here is a good article that summarizes the situation:

Can France really expel WikiLeaks?

By Raphaële Karayan - published the 03 / 12 / 2010 at 18: 38


Eric Besson does not want a French host hosting the site on its servers. OVH applied to the judge for interim relief before taking a decision. The minister's options, and those of the host.


http://www.lexpansion.com/high-tech/la- ... 44215.html

According http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 28c79a.341 :

OVH's answer:

"OVH is neither for nor against this site", explained Octave Klaba, its managing director, who added: "OVH is a company which provides the infrastructures (...) and our role is to ensure this technical service. . That's all. We have not asked to host this site or not to host it. Now that it is with us we are ensuring the contract. It's our job. It is functional ".

"It is not for the political world or for OVH to ask or to decide the closure or not of a site but with justice", estimated Mr. Klaba, concluding: "It is as that must work in a country of law.


The substance of this case and this subject is above all to debate on cyber-legality which is a very delicate discipline because it is "immaterial", very recent ... and which must be global to be effective!
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Re: Cyberlegality: Wikileaks hosted at OVH in France




by pb2488 » 03/12/10, 20:01

Christophe wrote:(not sure that this info is relayed to the news of tonight ... we'll be fine)

There is no reason !!!
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by Christophe » 03/12/10, 20:03

Well it is especially that the info is not "very" important does not make me say that I did not think), since it mainly concerns the specialists of the net ... nothing to do with the general public .

Yet the fundamental debate, cyberlegality, concerns all Internet users ... that is to say a very large audience!

We'll be fixed in a few minutes ... I'm looking at FR2, you take TF1 : Cheesy:

ps: another interesting article http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/arti ... 51865.html especially the reactions of Internet users: http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/reac ... 51865.html
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by pb2488 » 03/12/10, 20:11

Christophe wrote:We'll be fixed in a few minutes ... I'm looking at FR2, you take TF1 : Cheesy:
dsl, i only look at the big canal diary +
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by Christophe » 03/12/10, 20:15

No problem, you'll tell us for C +

A candidate for TF1? : Cheesy:

About the article of the world, this passage seems to me quite disturbing for the freedom of the net:

The minister of the digital economy is supported by UMP deputy Murielle Marland-Militello, who believes in a press release that "the worst of the Internet has no right of citizenship in France". The MP denounces the "abject methods" of WikiLeaks, which "has no place in the civilized Internet we must build".


What is good? The evil? The worst?

Wikileaks has certainly stolen and disseminated defense secret information but it did not invent anything, the "abject methods" are rather those of the US government it seems to me ...

Ayé FR2 speaks to 20: 14 ... but the subject introduces a topic on Assange ... brief nothing on the bottom of the problem!
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by Christophe » 03/12/10, 20:20

And 2 selected reactions of the same article:

AG 19h33

The founder of OVH is right, all his legal reasoning far from the fiction is based on technical and legal realities of his exercise gaged in responsibility assumed vis-a-vis his customers. There are symbolic at least commercial pacts to respect, even when the other rights are gradually abusively prescribed ... To lift its responsible commitment towards its customers it must take the justice by returning the decision from where it must come to see if it stays at least right.


oulala 19h44

2) This kind of media event will be - SURELY - an opportunity for the government to issue a beautiful law on Internet sites likely to threaten I do not know who. We remember UMP cronies such as JF Copé who called into question the freedom of the Net ... Indeed, the Internet can be considered by the Right as a "stakeholder" just like ... the Left, Journalists, Justice. ... So it's time to silence some, for the sake of ... uh ... national!
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by sen-no-sen » 03/12/10, 20:30

In any case, as we will have understood, "democratic" governments ultimately want to muzzle the Internet, which remains the last free medium.
How to do this : Arrow: the shock strategy: fight against cybercrime, terrorism etc ...
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by Obamot » 03/12/10, 21:40

The latest news: Wikileaks is currently redirected here: wikileaks.ch

... after they have been the victim of cyberattacks and repressed from France ... (so I think your title is partially updated ...)

Euronews, 3.12.2010 wrote:The website wikileaks is the victim of cyber-attacks. So he had to move. It is no longer hosted at its usual address: wikileaks.org, but at wikileaks.ch, in other words in Switzerland. The ISP indicated that it was the target of several simultaneous attacks, forcing it to close the site.
Source: ...>

WikiLeaks is defined as "The first people's intelligence agency".

Among the dissemination of secret information, they were revealed, including by broadcasting the video below that shows a war crime of the US military (apparently in what appears to flow from their current military practices, in view of the images), after have successfully cracked the access code to the file:

Wikileaks wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25EWUUBjPMo&feature=fvsr ...>

These images show the assassination of the journalist Namir Noor-Elden (shot dead at 22 years) and his assistant Said Chmagh (40 years and 4 children, shot dead by 30mm) both engaged by Reuters, to be shot down by a helicopter Apache. The attack occurred on a public square in Baghdad. According to the official source, they were supposed to be activists (but the document shows that they were obviously chosen and unarmed targets). Immediately after the initial shooting, they fired at a van that was trying to pick up the wounded (source wiki).
In the same raid, a minivan full of adults and children was also reportedly under fire. We see that there are several shots from two different helicopters and we assume the use of cluster bombs.

The US military has formally listed the casualties as "militants" and claimed that"'They didn't know how the deaths came about."


Then in the same order:

Euronews, 29.11.2010 wrote:Internal military reports that highlight the Task Force 373, a secret unit responsible for capturing or killing Taliban leaders.
Source: ...>

In reality, it is very difficult to form an opinion on this organization and its real objectives. How do you know about this game of lying poker played by governments behind the scenes? And how to be sure that there is not an instrumentalisation that spawns somewhere?

Even if they want to be sincere "at all costs":

Wikileaks Spokesperson, 02 / 12 07: 40 CET wrote:"If global stability is based on deception and lies, perhaps it must be shaken."
Source: ...>
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by Christophe » 03/12/10, 22:58

Obamot wrote:The latest news: Wikileaks is currently redirected here: wikileaks.ch/

... after they have been the victim of cyberattacks and repressed from France ... (so I think your title is partially updated ...)


No ... he has not (yet?) Been repressed from France ...

Euronews, 3.12.2010 wrote:The website wikileaks is the victim of cyber-attacks. So he had to move. It is no longer hosted at its usual address: wikileaks.org, but at wikileaks.ch, in other words in Switzerland. The ISP indicated that it was the target of several simultaneous attacks, forcing it to close the site.


sorry but the journalist who wrote this does not know anything about accommodation: you can host a .ch .fr .checkout wherever you want in the world ... it is enough to be able to change the DNS freely (it is not always the case, for example, to force to accommodate at the company where you bought the domain ...)!

There is just that for obtaining certain domain (.fr notament) it is necessary to fulfill certain conditions relating to the country in question! But thanks it has nothing to do with the physical server that hosts the site!

Wikileaks is well hosted, partially (ie some docs because the .ch, the root of the site is hosted in Sweden apparently), in France at OVH ...

And at this time, he has not been fired from France yet ...

Latest articles of the moment:

http://www.itespresso.fr/wikileaks-ovh- ... 39393.html

http://www.gizmodo.fr/2010/12/03/en-vou ... -bete.html

http://www.leparisien.fr/wikileaks-temp ... 176244.php
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by Obamot » 04/12/10, 04:37

So that! : Cheesy: That a considerable number of journalists are dummies, do not tell me about it ... That's why I wrote "Redirected"... I have good?

Yes, what you say seems accurate. In any case it changes from hour to hour. The government has nevertheless indicated that they are undesirable in France.

AFP, Grégoire LEMARCHAND, 3.12.2010 wrote:After the United States, the site of WikiLeaks junk in France
PARIS - WikiLeaks, "driven out" from the United States, is now undesirable in France where the government, describing the site as "criminal", asked Friday that the French server OVH, which hosts part of its content, put an end to this hosting as quickly as possible.

The host said he would turn to justice for it to rule because, according to him, "it's like it should work in a country of law"

"OVH is neither for nor against this site", explained Octave Klaba, its managing director, who added: "OVH is a company which provides the infrastructures (...) and our role is to ensure this technical service. . That's all. We have not asked to host this site or not to host it. Now that it is with us we are ensuring the contract. It's our job. It is functional ".
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"France cannot host websites which violate the secrecy of diplomatic relations and endanger persons protected by diplomatic secrecy," said Eric Besson, the Minister of Industry in charge of digital technology, in a letter addressed to CGIET (General Council for Industry, Energy and Technologies, responsible for giving advice). He thus asks this organization to indicate as quickly as possible the means to put an end to the hosting of WikiLeaks in France.

"We cannot host websites qualified as criminals and rejected by other states because of the infringements they bring to their fundamental rights," explains Mr. Besson in his letter.

Some of the content of WikiLeaks is hosted on the OVH server since Thursday morning, after having been previously by the American server Amazon.


AFP, Grégoire LEMARCHAND, 3.12.2010 wrote:Among the big countries, only China has censored access to WikiLeaks.

For Olivier Tesquet, journalist at the specialized site OWNI, Eric Besson's request "is useless". "It's totally cosmetic" he told AFP, because "the site can always be hosted elsewhere".

At 18h00, dozens of mirror sites, copying exactly the content of WikiLeaks, were online.

"Then," he continues, "does the minister's request only concern the WikiLeaks site or all of the American diplomatic telegrams posted online? if so, it means closing Le Monde, Owni and all sites that have posted memos on their website. In short, it is endless, bottomless and without much interest ".

"This letter does not concern us since we do not host the WikiLeaks site," assured AFP the editorial director of Le Monde, Sylvie Kauffmann.


As they send back the ball ...

The BIG mess what!

: Mrgreen: In Switzerland too it is a "hot potato".

tsr.ch, 03 december 2010 22: 33 wrote:Will Switzerland ban WikiLeaks.ch?
Before the site wikileaks.ch is temporarily no longer available on the net, Switch, the company that manages domain names in Switzerland, said on Friday that it did not intend to cut access to WikiLeaks.ch for the time being.

Indeed, Switch takes such a measure on its own only if the content of a site is illegal (pornography, hate speech) or if it is used to spread viruses. This is, in his view, not the case of WikiLeaks.

Alternatively for an address to be removed, the authorities could order the closure of the site. A legal basis is however necessary to arrive there. State reason, for example, can be a motive for cutting access.

The Pirate Party supports Julian Assange
The Pirate Party Switzerland, which registered the domain address wikileaks.ch, was not aware, according to him, intentions of the team of Julian Assange to migrate his site in Switzerland, but assured him his support.

The registration of the wikileaks.ch domain address goes back six months, "in the name of freedom of expression and of the press", explained during a press conference in Biel the president of the PPS, Denis Simonet . "We wanted a Swiss who wanted to access the WikiLeaks site by typing .ch to be able to do so."

At the time, WikiLeaks was informed of the registration of the domain by an email. Three weeks ago, the president of the PPS and his vice-president Pascal Gloor met Julian Assange in Geneva, completely independent of the domain registration in Switzerland. "It was not discussed" during the interview, according to the two men.

In an exchange that lasted about two hours, "around a pizza", they explained to him the functioning of the institutions of the country, since he had announced on the set at 19:30 pm of the TSR that he was considering s 'establish in Switzerland.

For his part, the Australian explained their philosophy. "We did not have to do anything when we learned that WikiLeaks was emigrating to Switzerland," said Denis Simonet. The PPS is content to direct Internet users to "a server which can be anywhere in the world and whose location can change at any time". He also assures that he has no way of contacting Julian Assange.

In Switzerland, an exceptional intervention of the government remained hypothetical Friday. The Federal Council has been informed of the latest developments but has not discussed them [SIC] said his spokesman André Simonazzi, without further details.
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