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Solar mandatory in Germany: green dictatorship?




by martien007 » 20/06/08, 16:20

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"Green dictatorship "or progress? Germany will test compulsory solar energy
By Aurélia END AFP - Friday 20 June, 11 am BERLIN (AFP) -

"Ecological dictatorship" or courageous gesture for the environment? Residents of Marburg (west) will in the future be forced under penalty of a fine to acquire solar panels, an experiment that is debating in Germany.

On Friday, the city council of this university town of some 80.000 inhabitants, led by a Social Democrats / Greens coalition, is due to officially adopt its controversial "solar charter."

The text provides that any new house built in the charming medieval city must have solar panels at the rate of one square meter of solar cells for 20 square meters of surface, for heating and hot water.

This obligation will also apply to buildings already built, but which change roofing or heating system. All at the expense of the owners.

"We are facing a green dictatorship, but nobody dares to say anything," laments opposition politician Hermann Uchtmann.

"It is not with constraint that we achieve anything," assures for its part the association of property owners Haus und Grund.

Anxious to calm the game, the environmental mayor Franz Kahle assured that 5.000 euros was enough to finance an installation of solar panels, according to him profitable in fifteen years maximum.

It also highlights the savings made while the cost of heating oil soars. And reduced the fine provided for offenders to 1.000 euros, initially set at 15.000 euros.

Der Spiegel magazine highlights that the mayor, being a tenant, will be one of the winners of his own reform because he will have nothing to pay, but will see his heating costs drop...

According to Klaus Vajen, professor at the University of Kassel, specialist in solar energy, this solar charter is nonetheless "perfectly sensible."

"Encouraging is not enough. Sometimes you have to force the hand of consumers for their own good," he said.

"The public authorities must lead by example. I hope that many other cities will follow," adds Claudia Kemfert, specialist in energy issues at the DIW economic research institute, interviewed by AFP.

The city of Marburg, with its population two-thirds of students and university staff, its tenth place in the ranking of large German cities most equipped with solar panels and its green mayor, seems the perfect laboratory for a "solar charter ".

But it is not the only one: the regional state of Baden-Württemberg, yet managed by the conservatives, has already chosen the same path.

Since the beginning of the year, the Land has required new houses to cover one fifth of their heating needs with renewable energy.

And from 2010, already built dwellings with new heating will have to cover 10% of their heat requirement with green energies, or do major insulation work.

These local initiatives go further than the projects of the federal state, based first of all on financial aid to voluntary owners, much to the regret of environmental associations.

Germany has just acquired a legislative arsenal in the fight against global warming, which imposes among other things a threshold of 14% minimum for the share of renewable energies in the heating of houses built after December 31, 2008. But nothing like this is planned for old buildings, which are almost always the most energy-hungry.
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by Remundo » 20/06/08, 16:56

Controversial, but not so stupid ...

In general, the schleus are pragmatic and effective, even if sometimes a little nag : Cheesy:
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by crispus » 20/06/08, 17:04

What about the house located below a bar of buildings to its south? : Lol:
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by Remundo » 20/06/08, 17:41

This concerns the houses, it seems that the context is rather suburban.

Good joke however Crispus : Cheesy:

You should also know that the German context for energy production is very specific: great dependence on gas and coal, practically no nuclear power, no more hydraulics.

Hence the intense engagement of the Germans in renewable energy, mainly solar and wind.

From a technological and economic point of view, this law stands perfectly.

Apparently, they seem to accelerate the green machine even more, as I said, this measure if it is confirmed, is on the verge of nagging, because obviously, it affects everyone's freedom in the design of his house, but is it really that bad? :P
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by geotrouvetout » 20/06/08, 18:05

Remundo wrote: it infringes on everyone's freedom in the design of their home


we are also not bad in France, when for some municipalities it is more aesthetic rather than other things such as prohibiting the drying of clothes in the garden (even in summer, it is true that a electric dryer in no way hinders the landscape) and many other absurd "laws" laid down by nicknames elected just as absurd as their laws.

Geo;).
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by Former Oceano » 20/06/08, 21:22

It is true that it may seem nagging. But perhaps we now need to have these kinds of decrees to get things done.

Town planning is restrictive, depending on the area, the view of a listed monument, etc.

Why not impose an ecological constraint? The solar thermal panel for DHW compulsory for all new construction (detached house or building). Even if it only covers part of the energy needs, it will already be won!
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by Woodcutter » 20/06/08, 22:58

Congratulations!

In my town, the municipal team with which I work will try to pass a "constraint" of this type in the new town planning document!

Only then can we really (and quickly) move towards the famous positive energy building which is supposed to be the norm after 2020 ...

For the "design" I don't really see the connection, Remundo?
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by Christophe » 21/06/08, 10:30

An identical "bill" on solar thermal for new houses is underway in Wallonia .... we've been talking about it since 2006 ...

I don't see what is annoying or dictatorial to this extent, we have to insulate new houses well, right? They should learn (a little) to think at AFP ... : Shock:

I wrote a short story about it: https://www.econologie.com/dictature-eco ... -3845.html
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by martien007 » 21/06/08, 12:16

Christophe wrote:If it's NOT PV I'm for. If it is PV it is an organized scam.

An identical "bill" on solar thermal for new houses is underway in Wallonia .... we've been talking about it since 2006 ...

I do not see what is annoying or dictatorial in this measure, we have to isolate new homes well, right? They should learn (a little) to think at AFP ... [b] : Shock:


Read the text and look who spoke of an ecological dictatorship, it's a politician !! :

"We are facing a green dictatorship, but nobody dares to say anything," laments opposition politician Hermann Uchtmann


I would like to see in France what an EDF - GDF employee would say who builds his house and benefits from an electr-gas tariff at 10% of the real price !!! they will impose solar collectors at 5000 euros when it costs him almost nothing to heat and conso elec?

Otherwise, I am for provided that you can get help on the gear without having to go through the organized scam of artisans.
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by Christophe » 21/06/08, 12:22

So what? AFP still relays it in the title of the dispatch.

To return the ball we can also say that we are in a consumption dictatorship...and put the word consumer dictatorship on each advertising flyer that we receive in the boxes... So there are still words that you have to know how to use correctly.

Politicians can say what they want, it’s their career and responsibility that they put at stake, journalists must have a duty of moderation and analysis which goes beyond copying and pasting. Well there are the "" anyway but hey ... Really to cry this kind of controversy.

For the pricing of 10% of Edf-Gdf employees it should stop and quickly ... I didn't know it was still the case. When we gently remind them their privileges we are called anti social ...

Pkoi these guys there would be above the laws (of the market)?
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