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Sciences et Avenir: article on the Pantone Gillier




by Christophe » 30/04/08, 12:08

It just appeared in the last S&A Hors Serie special Auto.
It is less worse than that of S&V :) (phew) but it lacks a little scientific explanation for my taste (and especially that of Julien R. I presume ...) and passes econology for a purely commercial site ... bof bof but good ... c is better than nothing ...

I scan it and put it on the site.


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by Christophe » 30/04/08, 14:20

Here it is scanned:

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Suite and end to download here: https://www.econologie.com/article-sur-l ... -3801.html

The number is interesting, it gives an overview of the energy solutions for the car of tomorrow ... but nothing new on the horizon ... ah if they even talk about Meyer ... : Shock:
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by Remundo » 30/04/08, 15:34

Hi Christopher,

I do not know if it's my computer, but when I click, it puts me back on the subject page without downloading anything :? :?:
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by gegyx » 30/04/08, 15:54

:D
it must be emotion!

The link to S&V, can be found just below the one leading up to this topic.

(and just above my intervention ...)
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by Christophe » 30/04/08, 17:36

Oops I cheated ... not too much emotion copied / pasted at once :)

I give the link: https://www.econologie.com/article-sur-l ... -3801.html

Nevertheless, if you subscribed to RSS feeds you would have the right link directly on your desktop (or elsewhere ...): https://www.econologie.com/abonnement-pa ... -3672.html
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by Remundo » 30/04/08, 17:59

Christophe thank you!

I just read all that. I saw that there was also Christophe TARDY, the friend of JPP, at least at one time ...

TARDY is now more cautious since it announces in advance no decrease in consumption for its systems.

It is true that the effects of water injection are intriguing. I personally think that there may be an effect promoting combustion in a slightly humid atmosphere. Water has chemical affinities with organic molecules, it also has a polarizability ... The flame front may move faster, the combustion would be more complete.

To progress, it would be necessary to bring together experimental specialists, and an expert in combustion / modeling.

And make a test bench worthy of the name. I know that the students of Echo Moteur² do their best, but it would require a bench test builder ... with live measurement of everything, everything, everything (air sucked, water consumption, RPM , power, exhaust gas analysis).

Because the supposed drop of conso is still under the sword of Damocles of the decline of power ... in spite of other apparently apparent advantages on the depollution of the exhaust ...

Another thing that will spoil the lives of experimenters is the unknown corrections of modern electronic systems to handle injection. Even builders do not have to know how their processors and algorithms react to Gillier Pantone editing :?

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by lio74 » 01/05/08, 00:09

Remundo wrote:
To progress, it would be necessary to bring together experimental specialists, and an expert in combustion / modeling.

And make a test bench worthy of the name. I know that the students of Echo Moteur² do their best, but it would require a bench test builder ... with live measurement of everything, everything, everything (air sucked, water consumption, RPM , power, exhaust gas analysis).


Hello,

always the same reflection ... the super high tech engine bench ... we are still waiting for a sign from the builders since it is almost impossible on our scale ...

Another thing that will spoil the lives of experimenters is the unknown corrections of modern electronic systems to handle injection. Even builders do not have to know how their processors and algorithms react to Gillier Pantone editing :?

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yes, it's in the line of my conclusion (a little retouched since) here:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post77447.html#77447

good old engine, mechanical regulator, with flair you rules, no need for super complicated algorithms and embedded computer!

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by Remundo » 01/05/08, 00:29

Hi Lio74,

It's a shame that no manufacturer wants to look officially on the subject.

The Germans (again), have long experimented in aviation the water / ethanol mixture 50 / 50, however, in proportions not comparable to the Gillier process.

Finally, knowing their high technicality and their passion for engine, in my opinion, it's been a long time that behind the walls have to sleep some test reports very accurate and interesting on diesel / water or gas / water.

In a time of energy savings, it would not be bad business strategy to take an objective position on the subject WITH scientific measures in support ...

Maybe the results are not staggering :?: But also some other interests, how to say ... contrary would they have manifested themselves? : Idea:

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by Christophe » 01/05/08, 00:34

Ben in France we have aquazole since 10 years ...
https://www.econologie.com/par-elf-l-aqu ... es-72.html

But we are still looking at the pump ...

Otherwise read the news of the 1er April ...patents are not pranks of 1er April !!

https://www.econologie.com/diesel-renaul ... -3772.html

1er Renault patent FR2895461 water injection "in" the EGR
2ieme Renault FR2870892 patent on the condensation of exhaust gases
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by Other » 01/05/08, 02:11

Hello

A little strange statement that the reactor can walk cold?
this is the first time I hear this
I would like to know the cold reactor efficiency? on what vehicle ..

Good performance at constant speed, comes only because we know not mastering the dosages at low speeds.

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