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by delnoram » 24/09/07, 16:40

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by Christophe » 24/09/07, 18:34

Good summary for responsible food consumption!

This is in particular what I thought for a long time about certain so-called "organic" products (organic apples in cellophane which have made 2000 km for example ...)

Well the figures concerning water (CO2 I think): 2 km equivalent for tap water against 1800 for PET bottles ...

I hope that the future label of the type made by Casino will help people to buy more responsibly: https://www.econologie.com/forums/casino-pro ... t4061.html

Eating locally and periodically is ultimately a matter of common sense ... I think that AMAPs are an ecologically interesting alternative to organic ...
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by A2E » 25/09/07, 08:47

Beware of "organic" everything is not really, I have had many times the opportunity to see it first with the frauds (minimal but very present) when some "producers" make their way through this label fraudulent. to sell their productions at a high price, but also to other approved producers who know perfectly well the organization of the label and who will sell products that have nothing to do with organic! : Evil: the same products but cultivated differently! this is said! then come as you rightly say Christophe products from around the world in unnatural packaging (oil at the expense of corn starch for example) and at the price of 'a significant amount of oil whether by sea or air.
Eating locally and periodically is ultimately a matter of common sense ... I think that AMAPs are an ecologically interesting alternative to organic ...

Absolutely but we must not forget either that eating seasonal products (tomatoes in July for example) is also common sense unlike summer products that are bought in winter which will be produced either in a heated greenhouse (gas or oil) or imported into countries with a warmer climate so it is imperative (for me) to consume seasonal products and if possible grown in a relatively close radius around the point of distribution.
There is a point that I must add: the waste of obsolete foodstuffs, in fact how many thousands of tonnes of obsolete products with sometimes expiration dates of consumption not arrived at their expiration will end up at the dump, worse: at the incinerator! :x
By dint of producing and especially of always wanting to maintain a large quantity of fresh products on the shelves there is necessarily a lot of breakage (wanted somewhere!) And prices charged according to the losses of course »R !!! :x therefore we consume badly and too much.
When AMAP: it is indeed a good alternative but at what price! not everyone can necessarily afford to buy there and it's a shame because if the prices were fairer everyone would find their account! : Cheesy:
To conclude: I would add that it would be necessary to create a label (a real one) of ecological production for agricultural commodities! for example: a 100% natural tomato raised at the lowest possible cost, it is PERFECTLY achievable as long as we give ourselves the means : Mrgreen: !!!
AE Label!
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by sam17 » 25/09/07, 10:17

For the price charged by amaps, this is something that has intrigued me for a long time! How is it possible that by removing a maximum of intermediaries (we agree well: instead of going from the producer to the wholesaler then to the central purchasing office of the big box then to the big box itself which is often crossed, not to mention the transport between each stage, we go directly from producer to consumer) Do we arrive at price levels higher than what is done on the markets or in supermarkets?

I realize that the producer cannot sell his products at the same price if he is guaranteed to sell all of his production as with supermarkets, compared to amaps where volumes remain modest despite everything. But is it that far?

Because when I talk to a salad producer, he explains to me that the salad that I find at 1 euro (or more) on the shelves, sell it to the supermarket 10 to 15 cents! On the other hand, in the amap, we find ourselves at comparable price levels or even higher than the large surface area.

Is the organic label of amaps justifying the price difference?
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by Christophe » 25/09/07, 10:34

A2E wrote:Absolutely but we must not forget either that eating seasonal products (tomatoes in July for example) is also common sense unlike summer products that are bought in winter which will be produced either in a heated greenhouse (gas or oil) or imported into countries with a warmer climate so it is imperative (for me) to consume seasonal products and if possible grown in a relatively close radius around the point of distribution.


Everything did but it was included in my remark in 2 ways:
1) the word "periodically" (but I admit that it was badly chosen)
2) the fact of buying from an AMAP, therefore a local producer, prohibits the purchase of non-seasonal fruit ... well, I think ...

A2E wrote:There is a point that I must add: the waste of obsolete foodstuffs, in fact how many thousands of tonnes of obsolete products with sometimes expiration dates of consumption not arrived at their expiration will end up at the dump, worse: at the incinerator! :x


So here we go into another debate that gives me a damn out of myself!
I once read that 30% of the meat in the USA is simply not eaten (at least by humans!) ... It is purely and simply a shame when you see the ine Galita © s.

I think the Mac Do system is a good example of this massive mess: the big mac "screwed up" after 5 minutes because it was too cold ...

A2E wrote:When AMAP: it is indeed a good alternative but at what price! not everyone can necessarily afford to buy there and it's a shame because if the prices were fairer everyone would find their account! : Cheesy:


Uh I never bought in AMAP (because there is none near from us) but my cousin and my sister did not really seem to say that the prices were prohibitive ... well on the contrary...

A2E wrote:To conclude: I would add that it would be necessary to create a label (a real one) of ecological production for agricultural commodities! for example: a 100% natural tomato raised at the lowest possible cost, it is PERFECTLY achievable as long as we give ourselves the means : Mrgreen: !!!
AE Label!


AE label not bad :) All to your vegetable gardens! 0 chemical fertilizers and transport: 50 m on foot :D
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by A2E » 26/09/07, 08:14

AE label not bad Smile All to your vegetable gardens! 0 chemical fertilizers and transport: 50 m on foot :D

However, a small label like this would appeal to the greatest number because it would be synonymous with quality-price may never have been achieved until then! (natural cheaper than intensive polluted!) not bad no :?:
Ah yes I think about it now: AE looks like my nickname! indeed this translates to A = agriculture, 2E = ecological & economical! therefore econological logical no :?: this production system has been my specialty since 1989! : Mrgreen:
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by Hasardine » 23/08/08, 13:31

almost a year ago we (a colleague and me) asked our local organic farmer to organize weekly baskets.

a superb result !!! baskets for 4 or 2 that easily feed 6 and 3 adults respectively worth 17 and 11 € per week at the price of 13 and 7,5 € !!!


I have the impression that it is not clearly stated, but hey, we have a full basket for cheap at all!

this year we insisted that he increase the rate by one euro per week (after all the minimum wage took 3,2%, there is no reason that he is the only one do not take advantage !!!)

here is an idea of what it can give for this year:

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I encourage you to go to your farmers and explain to them the benefit they can get (not negligible, for sure!).
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