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by Targol » 05/03/07, 11:44

US files WTO lawsuit against China

The US government has announced that it is suing China before the World Trade Organization (WTO) for granting "illegal subsidies" to its industry.
The United States accuses Beijing of preventing them from being competitive, on their territory but also abroad, by flooding countries with subsidized and therefore low-cost products. The US trade representative said that the decision to bring the matter to the WTO comes after the failure of dialogue efforts.

The United States therefore requested WTO arbitration on the means implemented by China "to encourage exports and discriminate against imports of a series of American industrial products".

Since China's entry into the WTO in 2001, this is the third dispute between it and the United States.
The attribution of these "illegal subsidies" would be, according to the Americans, largely responsible for the trade deficit of the United States with China of $ 214 billion recorded in 2006.


For some geopolitics specialists, the question is not to know si but when the war will take place between the empire of the king dough and that of the middle ("middle empire" = China).
What form will this conflict take, what spark will cause it?
We talk a lot about Taiwan and the displayed support of the US which annoys the Chinese leaders a lot, but what if it was for an economic reason that it ended up breaking out?

As for the last sentence, it is enough to make anyone laugh with laughter !!!
Who wants to make people believe that American industrial products are capable of competing (even without state subsidies) with Chinese products?
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by Other » 05/03/07, 15:48

Hello
China is currently the second military power after the USA it has just increased its military budget.
When a country increases its military power it is not to control its internal population, but to see its expansion.
History has taught the winner nothing. He prefers to monitor Iran's nuclear program and let China do it in secret!
China trumps a program to make fuel from coal and that they have in it, it is not kioto which will animate the discussions on their premises.
In 10 years the USA and the USSR will not be strong enough in the face of the industrial rise of this people.

And meanwhile (great Europe) will be lagging behind the USA
and will start negotiations.
Negotiation is a balance of power when it takes place with a strong and a weak it is called a capitulation (it is the unionist who speaks)

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by david29 » 05/03/07, 20:20

Hello China is effectively increasing its defense budget by 10%.

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by freddau » 06/03/07, 09:40

Kyoto what a great story.

For China, if it does not care about CO2 and well it will still eat well.

With the warming, the cyclones will become more violent and / or frequent and it is possible that Katrina can translate into Chinese.
Cyclone activity zones are also on the south side of South China with Honk-Kong and we can add Shanghai to the north ..... in the list.

well, the United States is a little careful with China anyway. The Chinese have just launched an anti-satellite missile on one of their old satellites, so if that did not arouse the suspicions of cowboys and jap's, I don't know.

Otherwise the soft-power practiced for the moment by Europe is not too bad. Even countries want to join the beautiful European mess.
It's better than annexing them with weapons.

We'll see
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by Capt_Maloche » 06/03/07, 13:31

david29 wrote:Hello China is effectively increasing its defense budget by 10%.

Kénavo


No, it's 17,8% see http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0 ... r=RSS-3208

but as the Chinese say, their defense budget represents 1.35% of their GDP against 4.03% for the US.

they are in any case, with India following, the future masters of the world.

and we, well I don't know, we are still a little ahead, but after 3 solutions:

1) either the WTO succeeds in its mission and it will be a world order
2) everything is screwing up and everyone is doing their business internally without hitting their neighbor too much
3) big war ... history of cleaning up the planet and relaunching growth

I vote for optimism in 1
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by Christophe » 06/03/07, 13:39

Gloups ... I hope Maloche has less clairvoyance talent than ... Elisabeth Tessier (spelling to see ...) : Cheesy:
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by Targol » 06/03/07, 14:06

Capt_Maloche wrote:(...) after 3 solutions:

1) either the WTO succeeds in its mission and it will be a world order
2) everything is screwing up and everyone is doing their business internally without hitting their neighbor too much
3) big war ... history of cleaning up the planet and relaunching growth

I vote for optimism in 1


Personally, when I see what globalization as the WTO understands it brings ("relocate more to earn more"), I vote for 2.
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by jean63 » 09/03/07, 00:43

"Anyone who believes that exponential growth can continue indefinitely in a finite world is a fool, or an economist."


........... wouldn't that be Sarko (Ségo and Bayrou also besides)? this evening, N. Hulot in "A you to judge", asked him if he had understood that the pb n ° 1 of the 21st century, it is "the future of the planet" and that we are in a world finished where resources are not limitless.

Evasive answer ... we are no longer talking about government number 2 = environment minister !!
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by Capt_Maloche » 09/03/07, 18:06

Targol wrote:
Personally, when I see what globalization as the WTO understands it brings ("relocate more to earn more"), I vote for 2.


You will never prevent men from taking part of the cake in the process, this may be acceptable if the puncture is moderate and the system is stable

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by Targol » 09/03/07, 18:22

Capt_Maloche wrote:You will never prevent men from taking part of the cake in the process, this may be acceptable if the puncture is moderate and the system is stable


Hi Captain Maloche.
I would qualify your sentence a bit by turning it like this: "(...) this may be acceptable if the puncture is proportional to the service rendered (...)".
A puncture, even a small one, if it is not justified is, in my opinion, what is killing the capitalist system:
the dividends paid to shareholders to value their injection of money into the company are totally disproportionate to the services rendered to it.
In contrast, the share paid back to the employees of these same companies is also sometimes unrelated (but in the opposite direction) to the service provided.
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