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ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 13:17
by Grelinette


The interview lasts 1 hour, but Jean-Christophe Picard, President of the anti-corruption Anticor association, is so posed and so convincing that it is not so long to listen!

Many topics are discussed without language: tax optimization, corruption, delaying tactics, political intervention, abuse of public property, brakes and judicial corruptions, power lobbies, political ethics, fragility of whistleblowers, reports of the Court of Accounts, GAFA, etc ...

He speaks of it with a calmness and a frankness that it is good to hear ... even if the tone sometimes borders with a false naivety and a surprise a little disconcerting with regard to the subject; but it's his touch of humor to play down this dramatic subject.

Some eloquent sentences from the speech of this gentleman so diplomatic, and who challenged me:

- "Tax optimization is tolerated fraud"

- "In France each year, the cost of optimization and tax evasion is estimated between 80 and 100 billion euros, knowing that our deficit is less than 100 billion, ... the deficit of the France is quite simply our inability to fight against fraud and tax optimization. If we managed to get the money that should come in, France would be in surplus ".

- "In Europe, tax fraud is 1000 billion € per year".

- "In France, what is surprising is that there are no official figures on fraud ... we are in denial".

- "France is a paradise for delaying tactics". (to save time in the legal field. "In Spain the treasurer of a ruling party was sentenced to 33 years in prison for corruption, in France our corruption trials last 33 years!")

- "In the Scandinavian countries there is a high transparency, and a very low corruption. These are countries where people feel the happiest and I think that it is linked with the very good distribution of wealth: when the money is well spent we have better public services, we pay less taxes, ... "

- "After comparing the programs of the candidates for the presidential election on the moralization of political life, the 3 who made the most proposals were: Mélenchon, Dupont-Aignan and Hamon".

- "In France, people like elected officials who have pots and pans!" (citing a theory by Philippe Séguin)

- According to an IFOP poll, in France there are only 65% ​​of the population who think that the President of the Republic must be honest ".


The viewing of this interview should be made mandatory for all politicians, politicians, officials, etc., in fact for everyone ... even yellow vests would find ideas of clear and concrete claims!


You have work to do, dear sir,
and I bring you my support by joining theAssociation ANTICOR.
(https://anticor.espace-adherent.org/)

"Leading by example is not the best to convince, it is the only one." (Gandhi)

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 13:37
by Christophe
Please note that tax optimization is not corruption and nothing illegal and it is not fraud ... it is just making the best use of the system! Find your "weak points" to increase financial profit ...

And so much for your mouth if you, little independent, you can not do it and the big multinationals do it ... have you not understood yet that here it is the strongest who win?

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 14:44
by Grelinette
Christophe wrote:You have been warned! tax optimization is not corruption and is not illegal and it's not fraud... it's just making the best use of the system! Find your "weak points" to increase financial profit ...

This is called, especially in politics (and invented by communication advisers), a "language element".

This is another controversial debate and very vague, but for the President of Anticor "tax optimization is a tolerated fraud".
Just like delaying legal maneuvers and procedures to slow down a trial, like opacity and secrecy laws in business, like the powers of lobbies, like patronage, etc, etc, ... in short, everything which is legally "border-line" but legal!

There is a moment when one has to call a cat, a cat, and a fraudster, a fraudster, without drowning in linguistic and semantic subtleties (or of legal interpretation olé ole) that have no other goal than to have bladders taken for lanterns.


"It is perfectly illegal and reprehensible, Judge, because the old lady used a disproportionate response in her defense by giving a violent blow with her purse to her attacker who had only her empty hands for him. rob him! ... " : Cheesy:

You will have corrected, but I rewrite the last sentence of my first comment:
"Leading by example is not the best way to convince is the only one. "(Gandhi)

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 15:28
by Christophe
Disagree: we can not talk about fraud as long as it's legal ... even boderline, it's legal!

If politicians, corrupted perhaps, have decided to vote or leave in place tax loopholes that benefit more or less large company, it is not those who exploit these flaws that are corrupt and illegal!

And to reassure you, the IS (Corporate Tax) works rather well still in France ... except for some very large American companies including ... (GAFA, Starbucks ...)

This is not the case in Belgium where there are real tax agreements, just like in Luxembourg!

In Belgium most of the tax is on individuals and work (tax rate 50% from 30 000 ...) but some French still think that France is the worst country in the world .. .

Table published a few days before the November 17 Yellow Vests:


Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 15:36
by Gaston
Christophe wrote:Disagree: we can not talk about fraud as long as it's legal ... even borderline, it's legal!
You have (alas) reason.
There are completely immoral things that are legal ... : Cry:

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 16:23
by Christophe
Of course, legality and morality is certainly not the same thing!
Even if that is what we try to make believe to little children ... : Cheesy:

A fascist law in a dictatorship is certainly not moral but quite legal ... at least in the country in question!

Closer to home, if politics was moral, do you think there are so many rascals in politics? And only knows the emerged part of course ... : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

Evil is inscribed at the bottom of a lot of humans and it is unfortunately like that ... and as in the "human system" the evil is (much) easier to do (and even rewarded !! *) than the well ... well some liberate their true nature!

It is the law of the strongest (to dominate the other) that we find in nature and that our human societies try to compensate with more or less success according to the times ...

What am I pessimistic? : Cheesy:

* it starts for example, by denouncing or crushing a colleague to have a promotion, do not believe that the evil is reserved for the elites ... they do it just on a larger scale ... : Cheesy:

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 17:53
by Ahmed
What is amazing is that rich people can steal, since they can do it legally ... : roll:

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 19:44
by ENERC
gaston wrote:There are completely immoral things that are legal ...

For multinationals, tax optimization is simple. An example:
- I sell products to 100 € in France,
- I declare 20 € marketing made by a box in Ireland,
- I have 30 € of R&D costs made by a company registered in a tax haven,
- I have 30 € material from China,
- I have 25 € distribution fees in France

Appraisal: 100 - 20 -30 -30 -25 = -5 €

The French subsidiary is in deficit and therefore does not pay taxes in France.
Marketing in Ireland is little imposed
The tax on R&D goes by the wayside
The distribution in France can pay taxes if it's a French box, but if it's a multinational is missed
Customs enter the 30 € in the "imports" box

The figures are sometimes tampered with to overestimate the costs (cost of marketing and R&D), and sometimes not: it is the company that relocates services to countries where it is less taxed.

And There you go. It's simple.

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 20:43
by Grelinette
We really play with words! Moreover, even if tax optimization is "legal", the fact remains that it is done in a very discreet or even hidden way ... curious, right?

In addition, the word "legal"is very relative: it is often those who benefit from tax optimization who make the laws or help to make them and vote them (lobbies).

This is what is distressing: there are laws, rules of the game, that most citizens respect as if they were "words of the gospels", yet some laws have clearly been made to measure, by and for those who benefit from it. Remember, a few years ago the deputies voted for the law of amnesty for politico-financial crimes ... that makes you think a little about the value of certain laws!

What is even more surprising, listening to this interview with the President of Anticor, is this trivialization of corruption, and to be able to cite the names of politicians always on the front of the stage who have "legal pots" , but very noisy!

For example, Mr Éric Woerth at the same time Minister of the Budget, therefore holding the keys of the famous "lock of Bercy", and at the same time treasurer of the Ump at a time (2002) when we know today that everything 'was not fiscally nor very clear, nor very clean ... But nothing "illegal", since the Law authorizes the boss of Bercy to turn a blind eye to certain tax shenanigans, even though the person concerned is at the origin of it . The law is the law !

Dura lex, sed lex: "Hard is the law, but it is the law" ... In this case it is rather "Soft is the law, but it is the law!".
(I let Latinisms make this new Latin translation more relevant).

Re: ANTICOR, interview of its president: very interesting, to listen

published: 12/12/18, 21:10
by Ahmed
I would prefer: "The law is hard on the poor, but soft on the rich and the powerful."
And this is not a coincidence, because, as you underline, the law is tailor-made for those who make it ...