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Warming up: Permafrost Disease is coming ...




by Christophe » 18/12/18, 09:42

More good news...

CO2 and forgotten viruses: permafrost is "a Pandora's box

While the rules of application of the Paris Agreement were adopted at the COP24 in Poland, Siberia or Canada the permafrost continues to thaw. This soil layer contains huge amounts of carbon and viruses that are potentially dangerous for humans.

The effects of global warming are multiple: rising temperatures, glacier melt, rising sea levels, drought, changes in biodiversity, human migration, etc. Of all these current and future disasters, there is one major, currently taking place in Alaska, Canada and Russia. Under the most optimistic scenarios, by 2100, 30% of permafrost could disappear. Started several years ago, the thawing of this geological layer, composed of ice and organic matter, threatens to release astronomical amounts of CO2, potentially leading to an even bigger and faster global warming than expected. Permafrost also preserves many viruses, forgotten or unknown. In 2016, a child was killed by anthrax. The anthrax virus had been released following the thaw of an old 70 reindeer corpse!

To study the risks related to thawing of permafrost, we asked for the lighting of two specialists. Florent Dominé, on the one hand, is a researcher, director of research at the CNRS. He works at the Takuvik International Joint Unit, a partnership between Laval University in Quebec City (Canada) and the National Center for Scientific Research. His activities are concentrated mainly in the Canadian Arctic where he works on climate issues and in particular on the transformation and thawing of permafrost. On site, he also studies the evolution of vegetation and biodiversity. In addition, concerning the issue of viruses, we have called on Jean-Michel Claverie, professor of medicine at Aix-Marseille University, director of the Institute of Microbiology of the Mediterranean and the Genomics and Structural Information Laboratory. In 2014, he and his team discovered two new viruses, giant viruses, dated 30 000 years, in Siberian permafrost.

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A reservoir of greenhouse gases
Permafrost is a vast territory. Its area is estimated between 10 and 15 million square meters (between 20 and 30 times the size of France). Permafrost is found in northern Canada, Alaska, and northern Siberia. Depending on the area, the depth of this layer varies: from a few meters to about a kilometer in some parts of Siberia where the permafrost has been maintained for millions of years. According to some studies, these layers of soil contain billions of tons of carbon. An analysis confirmed by the researcher Florent Dominé:

Permafrost contains ice and organic matter, mainly from the partial decomposition of plants. This organic material is largely carbon. There is approximately twice as much carbon in permafrost than in the atmosphere. This carbon, when it is frozen, is not very accessible to bacterial mineralization. Bacteria can feed on this organic material as soon as it is thawed. And there, the bacteria will be able to metabolize it and turn it into CO2. This carbon dioxide will then escape into the atmosphere and potentially increase the levels of this greenhouse gas.

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by izentrop » 18/12/18, 10:02

Not necessarily bad:
Florent Dominé: "The range would be between 50 and 250 billion tonnes of CO2. But there are so many feedbacks that have not yet been discovered and that have not been included in the models, that all these projections are subject to enormous uncertainties. And then there are uncertainties about the reverse process which is that of the fixation of organic matter, of carbon, by vegetation. if it's warmer, vegetation grows. The herbaceous tundra is replaced by shrub tundra. There is more biomass in shrubs than in grasses. So Arctic soils will serve as carbon sinks when permafrost will serve as a source of carbon. In short, there are still too many uncertainties.
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by Janic » 18/12/18, 10:54

Not necessarily bad:
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Florent Dominated: "The range would be between 50 and 250 billion tonnes of CO2. But there are so many feedbacks that have not been discovered yet and that have not been included in the models, that all these projections are subject to enormous uncertainties. And then there are uncertainties about the reverse process which is the fixation of organic matter, carbon, by vegetation. Imagine if it's warmer, the vegetation grows. The herbaceous tundra is replaced by shrub tundra. There is more biomass in shrubs than in grasses. So Arctic soils will serve as a carbon sink when permafrost will serve as a carbon source. In short, there are still too many uncertainties.

Not necessarily good for all that!
Certainly a change in climate causes a change in living environments. But, because there is a but, the release of CO2 will be absorbed by a vegetation that will take decades to set up, if the release is, she, brutal : Mrgreen: :?:
The other aspect, may also concern the health side if, indeed, viruses, sleeping, wake up in an environment that may be favorable to proliferation or the disappearance of these viruses in question. :?: and no bowl, no vaccine available, it fooled her badly for hypochondriacs.
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by izentrop » 18/12/18, 14:01

Janic wrote:The other aspect, may also concern the health side if, indeed, viruses, sleeping, wake up in an environment that may be favorable to proliferation or the disappearance of these viruses in question. :?: and no bowl, no vaccine available, it fooled her badly for hypochondriacs.
It's still the lure of gain that is the risk ... A little further in the text:
.... the viruses released by global warming are those present in the surface layers of permafrost. These infectious agents are therefore the most recent and are therefore known to modern medicine. This is what makes Professor Claverie say that in terms of virology, this slow thawing of the surface layers is not the most imminent danger: "Because of global warming, maritime routes are now open six months a year. You can therefore easily reach by boat to Siberia. These formerly desert coasts and regions are known to harbor significant deposits of gas and oil, and there are also many precious metals such as gold. "Or the diamonds. Now those areas can be mined. There's the danger! Take the Russians. They're installing surface mines. And they're removing the permafrost, because the minerals aren't in that layer of humus." These mines make 3 at 4 kilometers in diameter and up to one kilometer deep. Permafrost is then exhaled, which can be a million years old. And there we fiddle with things we have never been in contact with.It's a little pandore box.And knowing the Russians, they take no bacteriological precautions, there is no framework to best secure these mines. Manufacturers do not extract minerals in a situation of biological containment. "
As we now know that a virus can survive 30 000 years ago, there should be international rules imposed for drilling in this region.
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by Janic » 18/12/18, 14:49

https://www.maxisciences.com/virus/un-v ... 32103.html"There is now a non-zero probability that pathogenic microbes which infected ancient human populations can revive, and probably infect us as well," adds the scientist from the "Genomic and Structural Information" laboratory (CNRS / AMU) in an email addressed at LiveScience. "These pathogens could be banal bacteria (sensitive to antibiotics), resistant bacteria or sneaky viruses."

But if these organisms have disappeared for millions of years, our immune system is certainly no longer prepared to fight them effectively. In its statement, the CNRS mentions in particular the case of the smallpox "whose replication process is similar to that of Pithoviruses". Although the latter is now considered to be eradicated, its resurgence "is no longer the domain of science fiction".
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by izentrop » 18/12/18, 16:40

Janic wrote:the CNRS mentions in particular the case of the smallpox "whose replication process is similar to that of Pithoviruses". Although the latter is now considered to be eradicated, its resurgence "is no longer the domain of science fiction". [/ i]
That's why 2 labs around the world have permission to keep the vaccine.

You mentioned the hypochondriacs a little higher and you seem obsessed by the subject. : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 18/12/18, 17:54

janic wrote: the CNRS evokes in particular the case of the smallpox virus "whose replication process is similar to that of Pithoviruses". Although the latter is now considered to be eradicated, its resurgence "is no longer the domain of science fiction". [/ I]

That's why 2 labs around the world have permission to keep the vaccine.
The article talks about similar, not smallpox itself and therefore stored viruses would probably be of no use. It is therefore the most complete mystery and indeed the risk may be to release what could have been the cause of extinction of species, for example.
You mentioned the hypochondriacs a little higher and you seem obsessed by the subject.

- PATHOLOGY
1. Which relates to hypochondria; which manifests itself in hypochondria. Imagination, hypochondriac ideas (s). The melancholy or hypochondriac affection, which seems to be a reunion of all imaginable ills, where all the parts of the body are in a state of suffering without manifest or obvious lesion (Geoffroy, Practical Medicine, 1800, 484).Concerns that relate to their own health or their own life (...), these are hypochondriac concerns (Janet, Obsess, and Psychasth, 1903, 50).


You are very observant, say so! What interests me in hypochondriacs, which is a mental pathology (like all phobias) is their sick obsession with microbes of all kinds which leads them to do or ask for anything for SE protect, so the vaccine should their myth altogether and made it seem as if those around them are vaccinated, antibiotisés, disinfected, so they do not run any risk which is totally illusory.
This phobia is therefore the joy of all those who live from this obsession, so BP.
Personally I was interested in true health for half a century (not the disease that is the business of medics) and my "fears", instilled by marketing labs, have disappeared as a result, not on theories but on personal experimentation and others also follow this path.
But as I am not totalitarian, I am for the freedom of choice [*] and action of each individual, concerning this particular subject, in conscience of them, and if some believe in vaccines, chemicals in all kinds, it's also their choice. But want others to submit to their obsessional fears to protect them THEM AND THEM ONLYit is a totalitarianism to which the conscience can not adhere by constraint. So I repeat for the nth time, we defenders of freedom, in all its forms, we are not anti-vaxx, anti-tobacco, anti-alcohol, considering that it is, there as elsewhere, that to smoke, booze or get pus in the blood, it's their right, not ours to share their life and death choices [*] [*]

[*] Freedom guaranteed by the constitution, by human rights by the Hippocratic oath and by agreements on ethics as the Nuremberg Code, the Oviedo Convention whose principles are routinely violated by those who should defend them, as for bonds without any proof of effectiveness, that no government has ever been able to bring (this is also why you did not find any to quote)
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[*] [*] the death of the victims of the vaccines or more generally the kids of those who believed it, and that the hypochondriacs consider like the price to pay to protect them, themThis does not shoot them any tear of compassion as successive ministers, nor your usual sources because for them it is only a percentage on paper, not real people left behind with their sorrows and difficulties life of the disabled for life by this poisoning.
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by Exnihiloest » 18/12/18, 18:42

And knowing the Russians, they take no bacteriological precautions


What good news !
Finally a country where the precautionary principle does not prevail, which makes Western minds completely timid today!
I take hope, there are still men who advance, humanity may not be fucked.
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by izentrop » 19/12/18, 15:13

Exnihiloest wrote:
And knowing the Russians, they take no bacteriological precautions
What good news !
30 000 viruses have been awakened by CNRS researchers.
Why do you think that exhaling the depths of the permafrost without precaution would not be a problem?
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by Christophe » 19/12/18, 16:25

Exnihiloest wrote:What good news !
Finally a country where the precautionary principle does not prevail, which makes Western minds completely timid today!
I take hope, there are still men who advance, humanity may not be fucked.


You should have been a liquidator at Chernobyl for daring to say such a monstrous debility! : Shock:
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