VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?

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VAT, a fair or unfair "tax tax"?




by Christophe » 13/11/10, 11:52

This morning on radio premier (RTBF1) 2 Belgian economists considered VAT to be an "unfair tax".

To say "tax" is an abuse of language, VAT is a tax and not a tax.

They considered the VAT unfair by taking the example of the bread that everyone (rich or poor) eats more or less in the same quantity.

On the example of bread (and food in general) VAT effectively represents a% more important for the poor than the rich ... BUT what they forgot to say is that we do not consume that bread and the rich, over a year, will have paid (contributed?) much more VAT on their various consumption than the poor.

Whoever does not buy, who does not consume, does not pay VAT.

However, food has long since become a minority share in household spending (even if it has been increasing for a few years), the majority of VAT is paid on things other than food: fuel and fuel, electricity, hifi, telephone subscription (which all the poor have ...) ... etc etc ...

In this sense, TVA is, in my opinion, a fairly fair tax. We could even consider it as an eco tax ... in a way.

The show may be available in Stream ... I'll get it.

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ps: in the same broadcast we heard (to be checked) that the personal income tax (income tax) represented, in Belgium MORE THAN VAT (in France VAT is far above tax on income) ... and that there was unofficially 33% of the active population compensated by the unemployment organization ... : Shock: : Shock:

For 2010 in France according to wiki (in millions of euros):

Income tax 48
Value added tax 126 504


reps: I don't like to talk too much with the terms "rich" or "poor" (we are all rich in absolute terms) but for the demonstration it was easier.
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by Christophe » 13/11/10, 11:58

Here is the program page: http://www.rtbf.be/lapremiere/emission_samedi?id=2231

It is not yet available in stream but will be soon I presume (right frame "Replay")

ps: the debt has been fairly well explained (transfer of the burden to future generations), too bad the speaker failed to mention the weight of interest ...
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by bernardd » 13/11/10, 12:03

I think like you, it is proportional to consumption, and therefore affects the most consumers, who are not the poorest.

It also has the advantage of being transparent with regard to economic exchanges with other countries.

It is envisaged to finance the basic universal income, in parallel with the distribution of money creation :

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by sen-no-sen » 13/11/10, 12:17

Quite agree with you, nevertheless it would be necessary to create different VATs, to tax harder the less virtuous products (example too sweet products like sodas, TV with giant screens, large vehicle etc ...) and on the contrary a Lower VAT for products of great necessity.
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by bernardd » 13/11/10, 12:21

It already exists :-)

And if this is accompanied by the disappearance of payroll taxes on human labor, which is the goal, all employees gain: because the reduction of payroll taxes on wages is much more unfair than VAT ...
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by sen-no-sen » 13/11/10, 12:34

Yes, but it is still largely to (re) develop.
Originally, the car sticker or highway tolls were used to finance part of the pensions ... or is charly? (Money).
A soda tax to help dairy producers wouldn't be bad, would it?
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by dedeleco » 13/11/10, 14:45

A soda tax to help dairy producers wouldn't be bad, would it?

Completely agree, on all industrial sweet, but also to help the Social Security SS deficit, because with the excess of sugars in all cheap food while
food has become a minority share in household spending

we have in opposite direction, multiplication of obesity, with the diseases like diabetes, cardiac, and other problems of long duration which plague the SS, that it is logical to decrease by taxing the cheap sugary foods which are the cause, as much as smoking and excess alcohol !!.
We could also subsidize producers of organic fruits and vegetables, which are essential to reduce these diseases !! !!

When we see on TV A2, a producer of underpaid pears, after losing € 130000 the previous year, destroying 13 hectares of beautiful pear trees, because his pears are paid 3 times below its cost price (paid 0,15 , € 0,45 and returns € XNUMX), we are disgusted to see the retail price, which enriches the dis !!
So there will be more French fruit, more than Chinese or elsewhere ????
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by sen-no-sen » 13/11/10, 15:13

A sugar tax has already been proposed (by doctors, diabetes specialist, which is currently exploding) to precisely fund social security ... classified without further action!
Ditto for a tax on vehicles of a certain power ... classified without continuation.
It is to believe that there could be lobbies which would put pressure, I can hardly believe it! : Lol:
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by Christophe » 13/11/10, 16:52

dedeleco wrote:When we see on TV A2, a producer of underpaid pears, after losing € 130000 the previous year, destroying 13 hectares of beautiful pear trees, because his pears are paid 3 times below its cost price (paid 0,15 , € 0,45 and returns € XNUMX), we are disgusted to see the retail price, which enriches the dis !!
So there will be more French fruit, more than Chinese or elsewhere ????


Such cases disgust me (it is the destruction of agricultural heritage outright) but I think it is only the consequence of political leaders who did not (or did not have) the courage to defend interests and protect their fellow citizens and the tools for producing national wealth...

Defending our interests, that's why we put them in power it seems to me right?

These politicians undoubtedly have the blood of some suicide on the conscience ... but if they had one, they would not make politics ... at least not in the current system.
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by Philippe Schutt » 14/11/10, 10:35

There should be a clear definition of what is right and what is unfair.

With regard to basic universal income, I would like to take advantage of it, but no question of financing it. : Twisted:
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