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Manifesto of the nuclear voices




by izentrop » 16/04/19, 09:21

Nuclear energy is an essential part of the solution and as such it would be unfair to deprive future generations of it for fears whose motives do not stand the test of facts. The myths created and maintained around nuclear energy still prevent too much of humanity from using it.

10 little-known realities
On the use of nuclear energy to generate electricity

1. Of all industrial and household waste, radioactive waste is the least worrying to health and environmental authorities
2. Nuclear power is essential in the fight against climate change
3. In France, the price of electricity is one of the cheapest and most stable in Europe thanks to our nuclear fleet. We will lose this advantage if we do not renew it.
4. The Fessenheim nuclear power plant does not close for safety or economic reasons, but for political reasons, imposed by a small number of politicians, without consultation.
5. The accident at the Fukushima power station will not result in death or illness due to radioelements escaped from the power plant, neither now nor later.
6. In the short and medium term, it is technically impossible for wind, solar and bioenergy to replace nuclear and fossil fuels, whatever the levels of investment.
7. Compared to other energies used in France, in particular renewable and fossil fuels, nuclear energy is the energy that has the least impact on biodiversity.
8. Radioactive releases from nuclear power plants are harmless as they are negligible compared to natural radioactivity present everywhere.
9. The 75% of nuclear electricity production in our electricity mix is ​​an essential factor of independence and helps protect France from global political and economic shocks.
10. French nuclear power is the “green lung” of Europe.

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Re: Manifesto of the nuclear voices




by eclectron » 16/04/19, 12:12

I'm quite divided on nuclear ...

Current pressurized water is dangerous in the event of an incident, causes a lot of waste and is not very effective in terms of the consumption of fissile materials. At least to what I remembered.
Well, the power stations are, we use them to the end, let's admit.

Obviously there are other nuclear, such as Thorium molten salts, which is not dangerous in the event of an accident, consumes almost everything.

I admit getting lost in all the techs but obviously, there is better to do than what we have as power stations now.

It would be interesting to develop these new ways rather than cling to the old one, right?
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Re: Manifesto of the nuclear voices




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by eclectron » 16/04/19, 17:56

It is part of the answer. For example, they do not speak of the Thorium sector.
My ideal would be a document gathering all the technos in a table, with a brief description, advantages / disadvantages, to have an impartial global overview.
Not a "salesman" or "anti-everything" thing. : Lol:
Have you ever seen such a document somewhere?
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by Flytox » 16/04/19, 20:12

izentrop wrote:Nuclear power is an essential part of the solution and as such it would be unfair to deprive generations to come for fears whose reasons do not stand the test of facts. The myths created and maintained around nuclear energy still prevent too much of thehumanity to use it.

"The" solution will rather be a drastic reduction in the orgy of energy waste (all energies combined), especially as we see in our Western societies. The injustice would be to deprive our future generations of the possibility of existing because we (current generation) are destroying our own biotope at an astounding rate. The fear is that the test of facts escapes us with our myth of the next day which always sing more and our short-term economic vision which does not want to see that we are sawing the branch on which we are sitting.

10 little-known realities
On the use of nuclear energy to generate electricity

1. Of all industrial and household waste, radioactive waste is the least worrying to health and environmental authorities

Short term vision of bisounours. No one knows how to manage this waste over the long term.

2. Nuclear energy is essential in the fight against climate change.

No, it is climate change that is essential with our "civilization".

3. In France, the price of electricity is one of the cheapest and most stable in Europe thanks to our nuclear fleet. We will lose this advantage if we do not renew it.

French electricity is sold cheaper ... now. Let us wait a little bit until the real cost of dismantling / waste treatment / upgrading of security is added to the invoice, that this sector is no longer subsidized by our taxes and we will talk about it again ...

4. The Fessenheim nuclear power plant does not close for safety or economic reasons, but for political reasons, imposed by a small number of politicians, without consultation.

The total lack of concertation has always been the hallmark of nuclear since its origin in France, what is new?

5. The accident at the Fukushima power station will not result in death or illness due to radioelements escaped from the power plant, neither now nor later.
Do you have a lot of enormity like that?

6. In the short and medium term, it is technically impossible for wind, solar and bioenergy to replace nuclear and fossil fuels, whatever the levels of investment.
In the current scheme of orgy of energy waste, indeed.

8. Radioactive releases from nuclear power plants are harmless as they are negligible compared to natural radioactivity present everywhere.
When they are diluted, very diluted ...... maybe. The problem is that the power stations concentrate them, concentrate, concentrate .... and that it is very dangerous for a long time, a long time ..... and that there is no budget to protect it for a long time , long ..... in thousands of years. Future generations will get rid of it .....

9. The 75% of nuclear electricity production in our electricity mix is ​​a essential factor of independence and help protect France from global political and economic shocks.
"Essential factor of independence" when the deposits used are rather distant, outside Europe and not only in very stable countries and not at all corrupt .... : Mrgreen:

10. French nuclear power is the “green lung” of Europe.

You will not have forgotten a little how we extract uranium in Niger for example ..... before saying that it is green ... : Mrgreen:
The most indefensible / vulnerable country in the event of armed conflict when you die of the lungs ... but it is well known that radio activity does not cross French borders.
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by izentrop » 16/04/19, 21:54

eclectron wrote:My ideal would be a document gathering all the technos in a table, with a brief description, advantages / disadvantages, to have an impartial global overview.
This relatively recent report talks about it in detail http://irfu.cea.fr/Meetings/seminaires- ... rs2018.pdf
Thorium is not naturally fissile and the technology of molten salts is not yet developed.
It is not because it is a molten salt reactor that it is necessarily safer than a PWR or an RNR-Na ....
https://ideesrecuessurlenergie.wordpres ... d-leurope/

Flytox, for more details, on the link page I gave, each item can be developed.
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Re: Manifesto of the nuclear voices




by Gébé » 16/04/19, 22:45

Among the 5 countries currently most involved in the production of electricity from nuclear power, only one has no plans to build new power plants: France.
It does not matter, when we have completely lost the technology, we will have them built to others :?
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by izentrop » 17/04/19, 09:30

Gébé wrote:Among the 5 countries currently most involved in the production of electricity from nuclear power, only one has no plans to build new power plants: France.
It does not matter, when we have completely lost the technology, we will have them built to others :?
The same can be said of Germany, Belgium, the USA, where activists have tipped the scales the most.
Why 5? at least 30 in 2014 and Germany was no longer part of it. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des ... %C3%A9aire

Despite the fact that in this area, everyone lies by omission, except WYD : Wink: , I remain convinced that nuclear power can save the "world" https://ideesrecuessurlenergie.wordpres ... -ny-times/

The ENRs are far from meeting their commitments, an energy source is needed to compensate for their intermittence and respond effectively to demand.

I don't understand why we don't get into RNR more. Russia has proven since the 90s that it is a concept that works and that can burn 100% of uranium with very little waste, which leads us to 5000 years of our current consumption and to finalize other sources like fusion. : Wink:
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