Explosion of kWh EDF since 2008: price comparison?

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Explosion of kWh EDF since 2008: price comparison?




by Christophe » 25/10/16, 16:55

bobono wrote:I check the consumption of the electricity bill of the person and I see prices and HC HP 0.0779 0.0458
Surprise because the EDF tariffs in France HP are 0.1085.

(Message written on: electrical-electronic-computer / tilt-and-a-counter-a-disk-edf-t6253.html)

This message 2008 shows how the EDF tariffs have literally exploded since 8 years! (Except error Bobono ???)

The HC 2016 rate is HIGHER HP Price more HC rate 2008 !! This is crazy!

In the 1 2016er August, the price of kWh EDF regulated tariff tax costs:

0,14 620 € Base option (from a power 9 kVA)
0,12 700 € off peak (HC)
0,15 600 € during peak hours (HP)


Source: jechange.fr

They talked us to increase a few% here or there ... not really small% there ...the price of peak hours doubled 15.6 / 0.0779 (just 100% increase) and peak hours have increased 1.77, or 177% increase oops by 12.7 / 4.58 2.77 or 277 =% increase ...

And it's probably not the fault of RES: solar-photovoltaic / rise-of-the-EDF electricity-from-a-de-2011 CSPE-t10076.html

Let a little this out please!

All those who have been duped (with the complicity of EDF and the public authorities ...) by geothermal or aerothermal heating (= heat pump) * have to bite the fingers!

ps: Interesting main energy only if it replaces the conventional electric heating ...
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by chatelot16 » 25/10/16, 21:11

it's still a little bit to the Rec, since among the incidentals of a bill edf there is a line to fund the grant of Rec: to make photovoltaic higher purchase price than the normal price

but of course it is not this grant of enr that makes the huge increase

for me the increase is just a return to a normal price: a price that pushes a save, not a price that has pushed to turn the nuclear funded by the state
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by Gaston » 08/11/16, 11:47

I do not know how to interpret the original message: bonobo was already amazed at 0.0779 value as the price seemed 0.1085 ...

Suddenly, the increase would be "only" 44% (0.15600 / 0.1085) in 8 years on peak hours, which seems more consistent to me (an average of 4.7% per year for 8 years).

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Christophe wrote:and peak hours have increased 1.77 or 177% increase ...
In fact, it is multiplied by 2,77 (since 100%, it's multiplied by 2)
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by Christophe » 08/11/16, 12:08

Oops mea culpa :( I corrected thank you !!

177% was already so huge ... it made me turn my head !!

So basically almost triple that EDF tariffs kWh off-peak wants to kill bihoraire seen the tariffs!

Thank you the graph of increases: where do the data?

To settle this debate, someone would have bi-hourly electricity bills of 2008 to show us? Or better a history (eg based on regularization bill?) :?:
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by Gaston » 08/11/16, 12:26

Christophe wrote:Thank you the graph of increases: where do the data?
The chart comes from here. Data ... I do not know.
Please note: the "bars" correspond to each increase, but there are not always the same number per year ...


Christophe wrote:To settle this debate, someone would have bi-hourly electricity bills of 2008 to show us?
I may be that at home ...
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by Did67 » 08/11/16, 12:35

Attention ago ... And the prices are cumulative%: do not add, but multiply by 1 + X% for each increase (in short, a further increase is applied to the previous tariff increase)

And there is the real cost to the user, which includes in fact, a variety of taxes, including CSPE, part finance the subsidizing of renewable energies. There have been significant increases ... Who therefore apply on a plate which increases ...

Finally, the subscription has increased for small consumers ...
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by Christophe » 08/11/16, 12:43

Gaston wrote:but there are not always the same number per year ...


Sorry? Same number of what? Oh yes I understood: in some years there may be increases 2

On this other graph, thanks for the link, we can see that some years are "wider" than others (a little misleading so it would be good to display the data on 1 increase per year):

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Gaston wrote:I may be that at home ...


Cool and if you got the adjustment invoices on these 8 years it would be great! 8) that well complement the data above!
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by Christophe » 08/11/16, 12:48

Did67 wrote:Finally, the subscription has increased for small consumers ...


Absolutely, essential to establish a "true price"!

Is the above data take into account the subscription? It seems to me that right ?? Hence the interest to redo the calculations on real bills ...

Subscription is a traitor cost: a frugal home is stopping by fixed subscription, see my personal example with water at € 10 / 3 m2016 in Belgium (it's not the rain that is missing): water-pumping-filtration / swe-the-company-mafia Walloon-of-water-10-m3-t14719.html
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by Christophe » 08/11/16, 13:44

Here I annualized increases X and Y if any of the formula (not simplified for better understanding) with N = number of increases.

((100 + X) * (100 + Y)) / (100 ^ (N-1)) - 100 = Z%

And increased 2 3% and% does not 6% overall increase but 5,06% ... to figure applied to the price before the increase for the final price after these 2 successive increases.

This gives:

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I set a trend but given the low R², better not speculate on ...

The formula is valid for N increase, and since 2008 - if we are interested in this example- we have (1er value = 2009 1.9 in%) (formula a bit simplified):

1.019*1.03*1.017*1.02*1.0763*1.0558*1.056*1.0149-1= 32.6%

Mathematically and officially and except for my financial gain (*) the regulated tariff has therefore increased "only" by 32.6% between 2008 and 2016 ... and this coincides with the European price curve above.

Why so much difference when comparing the actual rates HP / HC ????

- Accuracy of the figures of bobono?
- Completely different evolution of the HC / HP rates?
- The bi-hourly enters (entered?) Not in the regulated rate?

Gaston soon: your invoice we put this straight ...

* It's good that it hit Gaston? Jm'ai more Gouré? : Mrgreen: :?:
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by Christophe » 08/11/16, 13:54

Did67 wrote:Attention ago ... And the prices are cumulative%: do not add, but multiply by 1 + X% for each increase (in short, a further increase is applied to the previous tariff increase)


This is what I have to effectively implement :)

Strictly it is either: (X + 1 / 100) * ... or (100 + X) * ... but it's true that when talking X% can be divided by X 100 ex .. .
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