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Flex Blue Areva / DCNS, the submarine reactor secure?




by Christophe » 15/04/11, 10:46

Areva's "last" idea for securing nuclear power: submerging a reactor 100 m deep ... idea probably publicized following Fukushima...

DCNS develops with Areva, EDF and CEA a new submarine nuclear reactor project.

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Transportable by boat, the Flex Blue mini-reactor would be built in the shipyards of Cherbourg before its immersion in the ocean. © DCNS

Will the future of French nuclear power go through the creation of mini reactors placed at the bottom of the ocean? This is what DCNS thinks that unveiled Wednesday the Flex Blue project. Its principle? A cylindrical reactor of 100 meters long and 15 wide submerged at 100 meters deep and connected to the mainland by an electric cable.

The result of two years of work, Flex Blue was developed by DCNS, which designs the nuclear submarines of the French Navy, in partnership with Areva, EDF and the CEA.

For islands and coastal cities

The imagined submarine reactor will have a power of 50 to 250 megawatts and will be able to supply electricity between 100.000 and a million people. It is intended to supply islands, remote areas and some developing countries.

For the French nuclear industry, Flex Blue would thus constitute an alternative to the nuclear reactor of 3e generation EPR, more powerful, but also more expensive and rejected by the emerging countries.

Transportable by boat, the mini-reactor will be built in the shipyards of Cherbourg, where will also be performed maintenance operations and reloading uranium. At a cost of a few hundred million euros, it has several advantages over a conventional reactor: built in series, faster (2 years), it saves expensive civil works.

"The project holds up"

"The project holds up on paper", judge Bruno Tertrais, researcher at the Foundation for Strategic Research, interviewed by Europe1.fr. For this nuclear specialist, "there is a market for small reactors for countries which do not have the means to afford conventional power stations". A point of view shared by DCNS, which foresees a potential market of 200 units in the next 20 years for this type of reactor.

There remains the question of the safety of a plant submerged in the ocean. On the subject, specialists want to be reassuring. "The submarine location of the mini-reactors makes it impossible to run any risk of sabotage or terrorist attack," Bruno Tertrais said. As for the risks of maritime pollution, they are eliminated, by the very fact of the submersion of the reactor. "Water is the best barrier against irradiation," we argue at the DCNS.

This enthusiasm is not shared by Greenpeace. According to the environmental association, the project does not present anything concrete both technically and in terms of security. "Proof of their skepticism, the members of Greenpeace believed, during the presentation of the project," in April Fools".


Source: http://www.europe1.fr/France/Flex-Blue- ... ur-380077/

Water the best barrier against radiation? It's a joke? For who? Go and say that to fish and marine life! And for reloading how do we do it? (3 years for an average power station) !! And marine corrosion?

Found by Padawan: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post200309.html#200309
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by Alain G » 15/04/11, 13:19

Bouah!

Someone will stop them these idiots!

Less space to put pumps and passive safety, we see evidence that it does not care to polish the water of the sea, how it can be safer against the attack, it does not know submarines!

Get out on the street and challenge this new bullshit!
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by Leo Maximus » 15/04/11, 13:58

Christophe wrote:Areva's "latest" idea for securing nuclear power: submerging a reactor 100 m deep ... DCNS is developing with Areva, EDF and CEA a new submarine nuclear reactor project

It is in project for the island of Reunion which absolutely needs a nuclear power station!

In fact, for the mafia of nuclear it is to prevent any development of renewable, especially geothermal, on the island.
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by sen-no-sen » 15/04/11, 14:51

Areva is new with old.
The concept of embedded mini-nuclear power plants is a Russian concept, with the difference that here the reactor is immersed.
Apparently Areva engineers live in a world of bums or torpedoes and other terrorist acts does not exist!

"submerge this reactor that I could not see!.
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by Christophe » 15/04/11, 16:37

Leo Maximus wrote:It is in project for the island of Reunion which absolutely needs a nuclear power station!

In fact, for the mafia of nuclear it is to prevent any development of renewable, especially geothermal, on the island.


This kind of renewable energy for example?

https://www.econologie.com/etm-a-la-reun ... -4076.html

https://www.econologie.com/forums/energie-th ... t4853.html

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by Leo Maximus » 16/04/11, 17:22

I have a PDF on geothermal energy and electricity production in Reunion:

http://www.pole-derbi.com/photo_derbi/D ... HERMIE.pdf

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Reunion can completely switch from nuclear. The Flex-Blue plant project has no other purpose than to block the development of renewable energy on the island.
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by elephant » 16/04/11, 19:19

The idea at the base is not stupid and it is the price of a jumbo jet. This is the kind of thing that we sell "service included" as we do now with TGV (gas steam turbine) power stations and wind turbines.
This is the kind of thing that goes back to the service.

But I laugh at the resistance to terrorism: what happens if we blow the cable that connects to the earth? The plant is racing, right?
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by Christophe » 26/05/16, 20:45

Another nice project of the friends of Jancovici :D
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by simplino » 27/05/16, 19:08

Alain G wrote:Bouah!

Someone will stop them these idiots!

Less space to put pumps and passive safety, we see evidence that it does not care to polish the water of the sea, how it can be safer against the attack, it does not know submarines!

Get out on the street and challenge this new bullshit!



Anyway, there is already a nice collection of submarines and nuclear bombs at the bottom of the oceans, a little more or a little less dangerous bullshit over thousands of years, not to mention Fukushima which empties in the Pacific its radioactivity to reason full, very highly radioactive Olympic pools every day, with its 3 melted nuclear hearts inaccessible to cooling for centuries !!
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by Christophe » 27/05/16, 19:18

simplino, it would be nice if you stop screaming at each of your messages ...
Even if basically I agree with you ...
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