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Non-road diesel, thank you that?




by paotop » 14/01/11, 17:53

Here is that the public authorities in association with their lifelong partner (total ...) impose for the course of 2011 a new fuel.

http://www.agriculture.total.fr/agri/Ag ... enDocument

so instead of taking a close interest in water doping, we will still piss off those who work (TP and agricultural ..)

it is therefore TWO new fuels which will be MANDATORY for all diesel engines not used on the road network : Shock:

a summer and a winter ............. of course it is a great thing which does not keep more than 6 months in stock, which is not only perishable but in addition which supports badly the humidity (condensation in tanks)

the only advantage announced is its low sulfur rate for better de-pollution of gear ............ after certainly adding a super mega catafapderève.

Great..............
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by oiseautempete » 15/01/11, 15:59

I do not see what upsets you: a priori the only difference (apart from the low sulfur rate) between the road and domestic fuel is that the winter version does not freeze like domestic fuel that must be heated in winter if you want to use the tractor ...
high-end domestic fuel is already equivalent to the summer truck ...
As for the condensation in the tank, it is strictly identical whatever the fuel used, and the injection pump never appreciates it: to avoid it, it is necessary to store the vehicle tank full ... it is elsewhere which is done systematically on all aircraft ...
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by Did67 » 15/01/11, 23:55

The problem is different:

- until then, farmers have the legal right to use fuel ("fuel oil") in their tractors, irrigation units, etc. So they do not pay the same TIPP as road diesel. .

- problem: there are only a few global manufacturers and this system only exists in France; the new standards (euro I do not remember how many) make that the engines no longer support this "fuel oil" ... It was therefore necessary to use quality fuel "road diesel" while not taxing it by making it identifiable. The technologies on these engines are exactly the same as those on heavy trucks.

- hence the appearance on the French market of a less taxed "agricultural" diesel which is simply colored road diesel - among other things less suffered
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by expertchantier » 25/02/11, 09:11

Hello,
We have set up a dedicated site with as much information as possible on Non-Road Diesel, on the storage of GNR in tanks, on the necessary additives, on filters and injectors ...

Non-road diesel

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by Remundo » 25/02/11, 09:42

Hello,

Well, some people see GNR as a certain opportunity, aren't they Expertchantier?

The GNR is still an entourage of ever more state, always more complication.

It results from the combination of 2 factors

1) The first technique: modern Diesel engines become direct injection high pressure (the same as Hdi, Tdi ...) and therefore require a fuel equivalent to road diesel: the cetane indices and the residual water content must be scrupulously respected.

2) The second fiscal: the massive use of domestic fuel in construction machinery displeases the State: by creating the GNR, it will be able to impose taxes while claiming to keep the domestic duty-free.

GNR is gasoline from a service station (unfluffed, controlled, well refined ...) but colored in red (with other invisible plotters).

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by expertchantier » 25/02/11, 11:13

Hello Remundo,

It is a response to the new needs of owners of non-road vehicles I am not responsible for its implementation ...

And actually the transition to GNR involves storage in new or properly cleaned tanks, additives to increase storage times, etc. which are many additional constraints.

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by Remundo » 25/02/11, 11:39

Yes, and that because the new GNR includes Methyl Esther which can dilute old deposits. There is therefore a small risk of blocking the diesel pump if a clot comes off, especially for those who have a high pressure injection (common rail, pump injector and others).

This gives the opportunity to change the tanks and sell filters. To dismantle the entire diesel circuit at the garage ... So much the better for trade ...

In reality, this is called creating an (artificial) need. I know agricultural mechanics quite well and then certify that for 10 to 15 years, tractors have been getting worse and worse ...

Extreme sophistication (hydraulics, sensors, very high pressure injection engines), ultra-energy-intensive "torque converter" transmission losing 10 to 15 HP on a 110 HP tractor compared to a manual gearbox.

You can have a 60 k € machine that refuses to advance because a position sensor is messing around in the box ... And immobilization of your magnificent machine for 3 months before the specialist comes ...

There you take out the old Mac Cormick 733 which has worked flawlessly for 30 years ...

Worse than that: normally very robust structural parts wear out at high speed, like bridges, crankshaft seals can be seriously damaged in 10 years, making tractor maintenance as expensive as buying a new one.

While with old Massey Ferguson, SAME, John Deere or other, after 30 years, nothing notable ...

I can therefore certify you, to summarize, that the decision-makers (State as Industrialists) always choose the profit, and to make profit, sell and impose the filth, because ultimatelyis what sells best. GNR is the latest trendy joke. : Idea:
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by dedeleco » 25/02/11, 14:17

To copy in planned obsolescence !!
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by Remundo » 25/02/11, 14:52

Hi Dede,

it's done
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by dirk pitt » 03/10/11, 10:25

small up on the occasion of a mini-excavator rental to remind you that construction equipment has been switched to GNR since May 1 (in theory because it seems that a certain number still run on fuel oil) and that agricultural tractors must go there from next month (November 1st)
It didn't make as much noise as I think ...
the price seems to be about 1ct more per liter than domestic fuel oil.
on the other hand it is the annoying appendages that are expensive: you can't store it in metal tanks, you need plastic, its shelf life is limited, you have to clean old tanks and put filters, etc ...
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