Hello Christophe and all the others
As Capt_Maloche has brilliantly shown us with the development of its fuel oil burner with measures "which hold the road", we could imagine doing the "same" thing with our Pantomized cars.
That is to say scientifically measure our results to guide the development of our changes. To go objectively, strictly in the direction of a decrease in consumption and pollution. The main problem is that this instrumentation, rather complex, is not given for an individual especially to use it very punctually.
We could still benefit from it if we "pool" our means to buy or rent this (portable) instrumentation.
Christophe, could it possibly be a product, or a service from the Econologie store !? None of us need it every day and it would be enough to circulate the instrumentation case to help in the development of a maximum of Gillier Pantomists. Also, the fact of all using the same instrumentation will allow effective aid.
http://www.ecom.fr/combustion.htm
http://www.kane.fr/objets/produits/fiches/auto4-2.htm#
By the way I have no actions in these shops
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Focus Gillier Pantone with gas analyzer
Focus Gillier Pantone with gas analyzer
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Can't we start by managing our combustion with the standard equipment available on vehicles, I mean the Lambda probe also called oxygen probe?
My hypothesis is as follows, the Gillier pantone operation causes the parameters measured by the probe to drift.
These parameters can be "better" than those obtained with the only "traditional" fuel.
For this, it is possible to consider inserting an "emulator" between the Lambda probe and the engine management computer which analyzes and optimizes Gillier Pantone operation according to the values recorded.
This same “emulator” will transmit “corrected” data to the engine management computer in order to deceive this same computer and prevent it from compensating for the combustion values “disturbed” by the Gillier Pantone system.
This type of emulator already exists, it is sometimes mounted for LPG vehicles difficult to adjust ...
My hypothesis is as follows, the Gillier pantone operation causes the parameters measured by the probe to drift.
These parameters can be "better" than those obtained with the only "traditional" fuel.
For this, it is possible to consider inserting an "emulator" between the Lambda probe and the engine management computer which analyzes and optimizes Gillier Pantone operation according to the values recorded.
This same “emulator” will transmit “corrected” data to the engine management computer in order to deceive this same computer and prevent it from compensating for the combustion values “disturbed” by the Gillier Pantone system.
This type of emulator already exists, it is sometimes mounted for LPG vehicles difficult to adjust ...
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Hello Citro
Sure the "emulator" you're talking about is a very good and elegant solution for making wealth etc ... but the amplitude of the corrections to be made were found by carrying out complete exhaust gas measurements, i.e. by monitoring CO, NOx, particles etc ...
Precisely the word "disturbed" makes me think that we need to scratch / study a little more to better understand how we must "compensate".
For georges100
Without electronics the problem is different. Perhaps the answer is clearer when varying the "Gillier Pantome" parameters in the analysis of exhaust gas pollutants. There is no regulatory feedback which increases the difficulties of interpretation.
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citro wrote:My hypothesis is as follows, the Gillier pantone operation causes the parameters measured by the probe to drift.
These parameters can be "better" than those obtained with the only "traditional" fuel.
For this, we can consider inserting between the Lambda sensor and the engine management computer an "emulator" which analysis and optimizes Gillier Pantone operation based on the values read.
Sure the "emulator" you're talking about is a very good and elegant solution for making wealth etc ... but the amplitude of the corrections to be made were found by carrying out complete exhaust gas measurements, i.e. by monitoring CO, NOx, particles etc ...
citro wrote:This same "emulator" will transmit "corrected" data to the engine management computer in order to deceive this same computer and prevent it from compensating for the combustion values "disrupted"by the Gillier Pantone system.
Precisely the word "disturbed" makes me think that we need to scratch / study a little more to better understand how we must "compensate".
For georges100
Without electronics the problem is different. Perhaps the answer is clearer when varying the "Gillier Pantome" parameters in the analysis of exhaust gas pollutants. There is no regulatory feedback which increases the difficulties of interpretation.
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you are most certainly right anyway don't count on me to contradict you
but I notice that obviously the tests are done mainly on old engines without sophisticated electronics ...
your idea of stuff that could circulate is not bad at all ...
we go from amateurism to "enlightened" amateurism
to get things done, IMHO, pantone should be fitted with similar engines to increase road tests ...
but I notice that obviously the tests are done mainly on old engines without sophisticated electronics ...
your idea of stuff that could circulate is not bad at all ...
we go from amateurism to "enlightened" amateurism
to get things done, IMHO, pantone should be fitted with similar engines to increase road tests ...
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Hi guys,
this is the type of case you need: http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/13451312.htm 1000€
even better : http://www.ecom.fr/en.htm I have not seen the price
this is the type of case you need: http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/13451312.htm 1000€
even better : http://www.ecom.fr/en.htm I have not seen the price
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Bonjour à tous
Anyone have any feedback on equipment that would be well suited to measurement on the car. Certain boiler equipment is limited (to 70 ° or 80 °?) For the gas intake temperature. At the exit of the silencer of a car we have between 150 and 250 °?
As we are not working on a test bench, but with an engine under load, and not at idle so that the Gillier pantome is in temperature, we would therefore need instrumentation that allows “road” use. The data reading part must be able to be "distant" (2 m?) From the throttle part.
[anything mode = ON]
It is not convenient to drive at 130 km / h with mom sitting in the open trunk, who is leaning outside the car to measure at the end of the exhaust pipe because the pipe for the measurement is only 50 cm long ... And then in addition, she will not even agree .... Pfff They do nothing to help us ... It's the death of the hack.
[anything mode = OFF]
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Anyone have any feedback on equipment that would be well suited to measurement on the car. Certain boiler equipment is limited (to 70 ° or 80 °?) For the gas intake temperature. At the exit of the silencer of a car we have between 150 and 250 °?
As we are not working on a test bench, but with an engine under load, and not at idle so that the Gillier pantome is in temperature, we would therefore need instrumentation that allows “road” use. The data reading part must be able to be "distant" (2 m?) From the throttle part.
[anything mode = ON]
It is not convenient to drive at 130 km / h with mom sitting in the open trunk, who is leaning outside the car to measure at the end of the exhaust pipe because the pipe for the measurement is only 50 cm long ... And then in addition, she will not even agree .... Pfff They do nothing to help us ... It's the death of the hack.
[anything mode = OFF]
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