Pantone and MHD

[SixK]

Just a little thought that came to me last night while watching the video of jp-petit's conference on the MHD and B2 planes.

In this video he talks about MHD generator and plasma...

This is where I wonder if by creating a winding around a pantone reactor we don't get an electric current?
To do well, the winding should probably be inside the reactor, in contact with the air, but given the temperature that reigns there, this must of course be impossible to achieve...

I don't know if anyone has tried this kind of setup before?

SixK

[Christophe]

Of course we obtain current since there is a magnetic field around the reactor in operation (even if it is weak it exists)...
due to free electrons/ions in motion...

The effect is obviously reversible but the analogy ends there I think...

[SixK]

It's interesting, would have to see how much the voltage and the intensity rise....

An application that could result from this would be, if I understood the principle of the MHD correctly, to regulate the flow of air in the reactor.... thus allowing the flow to be accelerated or slowed down according to need;)

No more problem of multiple reactors if we manage to have sufficient control over the flow through this...

Another application would perhaps be to recover a little more energy on a pantoniser generator for example.

In short, there may be things to dig into in this area.

SixK

[lio74]

This is where I wonder if by creating a winding around a pantone reactor we don't get an electric current?
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I don't know if anyone has tried this kind of setup before?
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SixK

Hello,

I think I read somewhere that an experimenter had tried to put a winding to induce a current in the reactor precisely!!!

I've read stuff on plasma air treatment... precisely there is the trick of the tube and an electrode (rod) on which we apply a high potential to create a plasma...

it may be interesting to make a plasma controlled according to the regimes..?? if there is a plasma specialist on the forum!! ??

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[denis]

hello, for that it must take enormous energy!
for the resistance, there is one in the chamber patent, but for heating before starting. In the reactor, this seems difficult to achieve, given the heat! , and if we put a porcelain envelope there, it will isolate or at least create inertia for the heating of the tube / core. And since the current is transmitted to the steam, by negative ion, the current is used??? ??

[denis]

I think we have enough to make the neurons smoke

[SixK]

It is clear that you have to have a lot of energy to play on the flow with such a system (if this system works).
But as jp petit says in his video, the energy can be produced by the friction of the air on an MHD .... therefore on the body of the car

From (I'm extrapolating ;) ), in addition to having a super economical car, we would also have a car invisible to radar

Well let's get back to realistic things... we should already know what power can provide a winding around a pantone reactor...

SixK

[elephant]

if I understood correctly (I'm far from being a pantone specialist) it's not that hot: there are insulators capable of holding up

[crispus]

Hello,

you should already know what power can provide a winding around a pantone reactor...

To recover a current in a winding, it must be placed in a magnetic field variable. This is what happens in an alternator.

However, the reactor produces an almost constant magnetic field, and in any case always directed in the same direction. The coil would only pick up fleeting voltage spikes during sudden changes in speed. And in steady state, nothing at all.

On the other hand, we must indeed be able to create an MHD (direct current) thermogenerator from a thermomagnet derived from the Pantone reactor.

She would look like this:


The red lines symbolize the ion swirl around the rod, at the origin of the magnetic field.

By ejecting the ions from the reactor at high tangential speed, and perpendicular to the intense magnetic field they have generated, it must be possible to recover a significant direct current thanks to the inverse MHD.

http://vortex.francophone.free.fr/viewsujet.php?id=53

See the discussion about it on the forum dedicated to VSLAs

But using the Pantone reactor as a generator would have the effect of slowing down and above all neutralizing (by conduction) the ions it produces: its combustion efficiency would be compromised.

[lio74]

It is clear that you have to have a lot of energy to play on the flow with such a system (if this system works).

yeah it's true, an air treatment plasma is around 50kV (air breakdown field 30kV/cm .. it seems to me)... 50kW that's a lot of batteries

for Dennis:
there is also a 24V spark plug between the reactor output and the piston inlet... it should still ionize the gas well (without going as far as plasma... but hey)!!!

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