published: 07/11/04, 12:56
This is where you can react on the PMC Resource Link project. Here is the mail that I sent to the mailing list:
Hello everybody
After a few of your reactions, here is how I see things for "the future". Sorry this mail is a bit long but I tried to address all the points ... Thank you for your reading.
The message below confirming my idea of a kind of federation I put it as an attachment since I fully agree with it and that it is only that way that things can move forward as quickly as possible.
1) First of all your reactions:
They were, to my surprise, rather positive (does Xavier to moderate the negative? Maybe I do not know) ... well it is certain that the "spies and profiteers" of all kinds are silent and remain " Silent "... Most of you, finally what has reacted, have confirmed my email, certe a little aggressive (but to react people times that's what it takes!).
I had some reaction in private also quite positive but aiming to "bring back my feet on the ground" and no purely negative trying to destabilize me! So positive points.
So this first point goes in the advancement of this "union" and pooling.
2) The organizational
It is best to use the skills of everyone, I mean that we do not improvise, for example, motorist. Everyone will have to make the best use of their own knowledge and skills to make the "thing" better. Some will be more technical, others more administrative and more able to organize meetings, make contacts, report, etc etc ...
All the skills of motivated people will be welcome but it is absolutely necessary to know how to delegate, to trust and above all not to want to appropriate the system and to quickly make a lot of money ... it is the best way to reduce to nothing a union and this is exactly what our critics expect !! Anyway, given the refusal of the pantone patent the system does not belong to anyone and everything that is broadcast on the internet belongs to the public domain! Paradoxically, it is, in addition, that which limits its industrial development.
a) human resources
All those wishing to participate in the joint project will have to take stock of their skills that they can contribute to the project. A common information sheet could be useful for this step. Huge human resources and skills are available to retirees! Most only asking for help to advance the "thing"!
b) legal
That's how I think the thing could work best: several reactive local association grouped in a national "federation" to structure the advancement. Advantages: rapid exchange and regional and national reactivity, no oligarchy. Disadvantage: heavy to set up, need of very competent lawyers, of a faultless communication and to designate "regional responsibles". The simplest way would be to simply take inspiration from the functioning of the AFM organizing the telethon or the restaurant of the heart: the 2 are national with regional delegations. Obviously joining existing associations is possible ...
c) financial and material resources
Money and the nerve of war, but even more so than R & D. Without money we will NOTHING. I do not believe in volunteering effectively: everyone's skills will have to be remunerated (not necessarily financially) in a more or less equitable manner. Why would some take advantage of the long hours of work for others? Without a "balance" on this side ... the project will not be virtuous! Obviously those who want to give will be able to do it but it is out of the question that the majority of the actors of the project profit gracefully from the work of the other minority! And that's normal!
Self-financing would be the way to give us all possible freedom but beware the R & D engine costs ... very expensive. Here are some possible ways of financing:
- membership fees therefore need permanent recruitment
- organization of informative conferences (at NON PROHIBITIVE prices!)
- donations via a "polluthon" ... the idea is thrown at you to think about it!
- sale of experimental equipment / motor ...
- etc., etc...
You should know that the instrumentation of an engine test bench costs about 150 000 €.
For proof, take a look at the resources of IFP: http://www.ifp.fr/IFP/fr/espacepresse/Doss...oteursOffre.pdf
Without these means we will still tinker in 10 ANS !! How much time and energy will be wasted!
In other words: I think that an association of 50 or 100 people will come to nothing ... against 1000 or 2000 person federated and going in the same SENS
could start to have a weight (media and financial) towards the industrialists and the traditional media. We are 800 on the list .. and I am sure that each of you knows 2 or 3 people wishing to work on the subject. Make the calculation: 2000 person making a donation / contribution of 50 to 100 € (which is finally the price of 2 full of gas!) Allows to have a significant financial weight without speaking of the resources resulting from the actions of the union !
Again, I'm insisting that without a union of the resources of each of you, we will not succeed.
Material issue: Any recovery of useful material as well as availability of machining / welding / assembly equipment would be welcome.
3) Action Plan
The purpose of this union will obviously be to advance R & D in order to understand and master the process. The dissemination of information will be the 2th purpose.
We could achieve quickly (after a few months) on the sale of modified engines. The last 2 aim to finance the 1er and the skills of each.
In the immediate future, it is a question of seeing if the idea is attracting the attention of a minimum of entities (physical or moral) competent and wishing to be involved in a sustainable way in the project.
Otherwise it does not help NOTHING to waste time on this idea.
For this I created a discussion space on the forum of econology:
It would be desirable to meet on this forum rather than exchanging emails on this mailing list, in fact it is much easier to find information on a forum only on the list ....
Personally I do not know what level of involvement I can intervene: I am motivated but everything depends on your motivation ... I launched the idea, I think it is achievable but everything depends on you now!
Here is the idea is revived ... I can not do anything more in the current state of things ...
Christophe Martz
Hello everybody
After a few of your reactions, here is how I see things for "the future". Sorry this mail is a bit long but I tried to address all the points ... Thank you for your reading.
The message below confirming my idea of a kind of federation I put it as an attachment since I fully agree with it and that it is only that way that things can move forward as quickly as possible.
1) First of all your reactions:
They were, to my surprise, rather positive (does Xavier to moderate the negative? Maybe I do not know) ... well it is certain that the "spies and profiteers" of all kinds are silent and remain " Silent "... Most of you, finally what has reacted, have confirmed my email, certe a little aggressive (but to react people times that's what it takes!).
I had some reaction in private also quite positive but aiming to "bring back my feet on the ground" and no purely negative trying to destabilize me! So positive points.
So this first point goes in the advancement of this "union" and pooling.
2) The organizational
It is best to use the skills of everyone, I mean that we do not improvise, for example, motorist. Everyone will have to make the best use of their own knowledge and skills to make the "thing" better. Some will be more technical, others more administrative and more able to organize meetings, make contacts, report, etc etc ...
All the skills of motivated people will be welcome but it is absolutely necessary to know how to delegate, to trust and above all not to want to appropriate the system and to quickly make a lot of money ... it is the best way to reduce to nothing a union and this is exactly what our critics expect !! Anyway, given the refusal of the pantone patent the system does not belong to anyone and everything that is broadcast on the internet belongs to the public domain! Paradoxically, it is, in addition, that which limits its industrial development.
a) human resources
All those wishing to participate in the joint project will have to take stock of their skills that they can contribute to the project. A common information sheet could be useful for this step. Huge human resources and skills are available to retirees! Most only asking for help to advance the "thing"!
b) legal
That's how I think the thing could work best: several reactive local association grouped in a national "federation" to structure the advancement. Advantages: rapid exchange and regional and national reactivity, no oligarchy. Disadvantage: heavy to set up, need of very competent lawyers, of a faultless communication and to designate "regional responsibles". The simplest way would be to simply take inspiration from the functioning of the AFM organizing the telethon or the restaurant of the heart: the 2 are national with regional delegations. Obviously joining existing associations is possible ...
c) financial and material resources
Money and the nerve of war, but even more so than R & D. Without money we will NOTHING. I do not believe in volunteering effectively: everyone's skills will have to be remunerated (not necessarily financially) in a more or less equitable manner. Why would some take advantage of the long hours of work for others? Without a "balance" on this side ... the project will not be virtuous! Obviously those who want to give will be able to do it but it is out of the question that the majority of the actors of the project profit gracefully from the work of the other minority! And that's normal!
Self-financing would be the way to give us all possible freedom but beware the R & D engine costs ... very expensive. Here are some possible ways of financing:
- membership fees therefore need permanent recruitment
- organization of informative conferences (at NON PROHIBITIVE prices!)
- donations via a "polluthon" ... the idea is thrown at you to think about it!
- sale of experimental equipment / motor ...
- etc., etc...
You should know that the instrumentation of an engine test bench costs about 150 000 €.
For proof, take a look at the resources of IFP: http://www.ifp.fr/IFP/fr/espacepresse/Doss...oteursOffre.pdf
Without these means we will still tinker in 10 ANS !! How much time and energy will be wasted!
In other words: I think that an association of 50 or 100 people will come to nothing ... against 1000 or 2000 person federated and going in the same SENS
could start to have a weight (media and financial) towards the industrialists and the traditional media. We are 800 on the list .. and I am sure that each of you knows 2 or 3 people wishing to work on the subject. Make the calculation: 2000 person making a donation / contribution of 50 to 100 € (which is finally the price of 2 full of gas!) Allows to have a significant financial weight without speaking of the resources resulting from the actions of the union !
Again, I'm insisting that without a union of the resources of each of you, we will not succeed.
Material issue: Any recovery of useful material as well as availability of machining / welding / assembly equipment would be welcome.
3) Action Plan
The purpose of this union will obviously be to advance R & D in order to understand and master the process. The dissemination of information will be the 2th purpose.
We could achieve quickly (after a few months) on the sale of modified engines. The last 2 aim to finance the 1er and the skills of each.
In the immediate future, it is a question of seeing if the idea is attracting the attention of a minimum of entities (physical or moral) competent and wishing to be involved in a sustainable way in the project.
Otherwise it does not help NOTHING to waste time on this idea.
For this I created a discussion space on the forum of econology:
It would be desirable to meet on this forum rather than exchanging emails on this mailing list, in fact it is much easier to find information on a forum only on the list ....
Personally I do not know what level of involvement I can intervene: I am motivated but everything depends on your motivation ... I launched the idea, I think it is achievable but everything depends on you now!
Here is the idea is revived ... I can not do anything more in the current state of things ...
Christophe Martz