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Failure of E85 pumps




by Christophe » 30/05/07, 13:59

: Shock: : Shock:

What was the promise of the oil and gas industry again? 700 pumps in France at the end of 2007?

Flex-fuel is really hard to assert itself in France: while the petrol station on the quay of Issy-les-Moulineaux (92) is always full, the only pump dispensing superethanol remains hopelessly empty. While this Total station - one of the first to distribute E85 in the Paris region - serves an average of 70 customers an hour, there is only one flex-fuel vehicle that comes to make its daily full...

It is clear that flex-fuel vehicles are too few in France. There are 1.200, while half of the vehicles registered in Sweden are equipped with this type of engine. In the Issy station, E85 is composed of 85% maximum ethanol and 15% gasoline, and is offered for sale 50 cents cheaper than the liter of unleaded 95. Despite an attractive price, consumers are struggling to take the plunge. Only a few rental companies offer a few equipped vehicles, just to improve their brand image.

Motorists therefore remain cautious with cereals and beets. At the same time, only 32 superethanol pumps are distributed across France, and 43 are about to open *. It is still far too little! The government had however announced its desire to open more than 2007 eco-friendly pumps during 500 when the Flex-Fuel Charter was signed. Figure which should theoretically triple next year.

The government expects consumption of biofuels in the order of 5,75% next year and 7% in 2010 on the entire market. For their part, the manufacturers have committed to equipping half of their petrol models with flex-fuel.

So when will we see the French car fleet renew? Perhaps this summer, with the release of several French flex-fuel models from Renault and PSA Peugeot Citroën. Cross our fingers.

* (figures from www.roulonspropre-roulonsnature.com)


Source: http://www.econologique.info/index.php/ ... adisiaccom
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by abyssin3 » 30/05/07, 14:09

According to the latest news, the E85 was not yet authorized for consumer distribution.
So for now, they are putting on nice pumps in front of the cameras, but not allowed to use them : Shock:
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by Christophe » 30/05/07, 15:21

Ah no there is gourance!

Since 1/01/07 we can buy some (and drive with obviously) ...

The problem is that few people who have a petrol car use it while up to 40-50% no modification is necessary :)
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by abyssin3 » 30/05/07, 15:33

Are you sure you don't need a prefectural order yet or something like that?

And 40% is already huge ...
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by Christophe » 30/05/07, 15:37

abyssin3 wrote:Are you sure you don't need a prefectural order yet or something like that?


Uh not on but if it is prefectural then it is local ... but nationally it is allowed

abyssin3 wrote:And 40% is already huge ...


Well yes but people do not dare (or are lazy ... yet it can be interesting economically since it drops the liter of fuel around 1 € so almost as with an HVB mixture ... but it should not be enough for them. ..in any case as soon as there is one that opens close to home, I test :) )
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by Targol » 30/05/07, 16:55

Christophe wrote:The problem is that few people who have a petrol car use it while up to 40-50% no modification is necessary :)


Did I understand correctly?
You say you can put up to 40% E85 in a petrol car without any modifications ??? : Shock:
Are you sure?
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by abyssin3 » 30/05/07, 17:40

I had heard of 10% max (and tested).
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by SixK » 30/05/07, 17:42

40% E85! ??? maybe in an injection, although I doubt it.
But surely not in a fuel car!

According to the tests which were made on a 125cc, up to 15% of ethanol the engine turns even more or less normally, after must adjust the carburetion and the ignition advance.

Basically, at best, we should be able to put 17% E85 without modifications in a fuel car.
And again it must depend on the cars.
In short it is better to count on 10% so as not to have problems .... :)

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by abyssin3 » 31/05/07, 00:43

It might be easier to put 10% directly into all the pumps. Once these are saturated, they could continue with E85 pumps ....
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by Other » 31/05/07, 04:19

Hello
Since January 2007 in Anrovia petrol must contain an average of 5% ethanol
the federal government by 2010 forecasts an average of 5% in gasoline, that means that super can not contain it, while the intermediaries will be able to reach 10% of ethanol

the petroleum companies are not required to specify the ethanol content if it is less than 10%

How to tell if the fuel contains etanol

Water method

1- in a transparent cylindrical small diameter test tube, pour 10ml of water and carefully mark the level

2- Add about 100ml of fuel

3- Shake vigorously then let the liquid sit.

4 After decanting, if you notice that the volume of water at the bottom of the test tube has increased, it means that there is alcohol in the fuel.

Ethylene glycol method

1- pour in a transparent cylindrical test tube of small diameter, pour 100ml of fuel and carefully mark the level

2- add about 10ml of ethylene glycol.

3- Shake vigorously then let stand

4- After decanting, if you notice that the volume of fuel at the bottom of the test piece has decreased, it means that there is alcohol in the fuel.


Etanol gives less energy than petrol, therefore more consumption any time if we modify the engine
this supports a higher compression rate than usual
modify the advance (although with the new injection and knock sensor vehicles this is done automatically.
for cold countries a small heating of the fuel 40c to 50c or the intake air if the% of ethanol is high
to reduce the certain corrosive effect, add small amounts of top cylinder oil to the fuel.

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