Roasted Pellets (Black Pellet): the new threat?

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Roasted Pellets (Black Pellet): the new threat?




by Ahmed » 30/07/18, 14:21

Until now experimental, the process of pellet roasting takes an industrial dimension with the project of a production unit of 45000T (futures) in Corrèze (Bugeat-Viam). All details about this product are given in a small visible video here.
To summarize, the advantages over other types of biomass products such as wood chips or pellets are:
- increase in energy density => possibility of finding the resource very far and good adaptation to large conventional coal boilers.
- insensitivity to humidity uptake => ease of storage and handling of stocks in large quantities.
- The additional cost of roasting is reduced by easy spraying and granulation (not to mention the transport, already mentioned).
- product not very demanding in terms of its raw material => possibility of using stumps or residues usually left on the cut; wide variety of agricultural waste. The manufacturing process makes it possible to homogenize the final product.

We can easily deduce from these tempting characteristics all the potential of nuisance of this novelty which will develop under the unstoppable cover of the "renewable resource" and a fallacious carbon neutrality ... : roll:
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Re: Roasted pellets, the new threat.




by Christophe » 30/07/18, 15:11

Hey, Ahmed? Why so much hatred for this biofuel? : Shock:

Even if carbon neutrality and renewability are not "perfect" ... It will always be less carbon-intensive and more renewable than all the energies of fossil origin ... Russian gas included (which we present, and which we sells, like the "Holy Grail of energy transition" ... one more lobbyist hogwash!)

Speaking of fossil lobby, Flanders wants ban the oil boiler by 2021... a courageous decision but already considered "irrational" and which will be strongly opposed (by all those who like pigs with fuel oil...)



In short Ahmed, it would be nice not to be mistaken target ...
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Re: Roasted pellets, the new threat?




by Ahmed » 30/07/18, 15:49

It is in virtue that vice finds its best refuge and it is by the very fact of all its qualities that this product is particularly harmful.
This for a simple reason: the scale effect that allows the use of such a process wisely in limited applications becomes frankly harmful when it becomes widespread ... (example in another area, the opposition between bike electric and auto electric).
Moreover, to come back to our point, as it has already been seen on another thread (?), CO² released by coal or wood has the same effect in the atmosphere and suppose that this carbon of plant origin will be cleared as soon as released is a view of the mind. I see in this innovation a great opportunity to ransack the forest in good conscience, taking what is necessary for its regeneration.

Another danger is that roasting is an excellent route to the production of synthetic biofuel: the car as a "final solution", in a way ...

Note: roasting also allows the transformation of boards into durable products, resistant to insects, fungi and humidity (=> dimensional stability), without the addition of chemicals, which is quite good! 8)
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by moinsdewatt » 30/07/18, 18:42

Christophe wrote: Speaking of fossil lobby, Flanders wants ban the oil boiler by 2021... a courageous decision but already deemed "irrational" and which will be strongly opposed (by all those who grease themselves like pigs with fuel oil ...)
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For housing in nine?
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by Christophe » 30/07/18, 19:17

No it will not (fortunately anyway ...) a retroactive ban on use: the article simply speaks of "stopping the marketing" of new boilers ... the law also concerns the prohibition of connection of NEW housing town gas (this decision much more questionable than the ban on gas boilers). After that I did not examine the law in detail ...

However, there is little chance that it will be applied one day!

In this respect, important decisions have been taken, among which stopping the marketing of new oil-fired boilers from 2021 or the end of the natural gas connection of the new housing estates. As of this date, heat pumps and connection to heat recovery networks will be the norm. Until the end 2023 a bonus of 400 euros will be granted for the installation of a boiler of heat pump.


Finally, the encouragement of heat pumps, in a country with a climate not so sweet and struggling to self-generate electricity with nuclear plants that accumulate stops and problems * is a decision ... more than strange ! : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

* see energies-fossil-nuclear / shortage-of-electricity-in-belgium-blackout-expected-this-winter-t13433.html et energies-fossil-nuclear / it-feels-the-end-of-nuclear-en-Belgium-t14418.html
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Re: Roasted pellets, the new threat?




by moinsdewatt » 30/07/18, 19:21

In this respect, important decisions have been taken, among which stopping the marketing of new oil-fired boilers from 2021 or the end of the natural gas connection of the new housing estates. As of this date, heat pumps and connection to heat recovery networks will be the norm. Until the end 2023 a bonus of 400 euros will be granted for the installation of a boiler of heat pump.


The info is very recent, it dates from the 22 July 2018, link
https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detai ... id=9978016
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Re: Roasted pellets, the new threat?




by Ahmed » 30/07/18, 19:31

Another project in Holland:

I would like to remind you that pellets were originally designed to dispose of unused sawdust from Scandinavian and Canadian sawmills (which was a good idea). With the success that we know, pellets must now be made from roundwood and are therefore an additional cause of forest harvesting. With the black pellets (biocoal), we cross a new stage by freeing ourselves from previous limits: distance of transport and quality of the raw material: as much to say that it is the door opened to all the excesses ...

From a commercial and social point of view, here are the consequences *: the cost of manufacturing black pellets is roughly identical to that of white pellets (actually brown, but because of the appearance of black, become white by contrast!), but the costs are distributed differently.
A significant cost is that of the investment of the roasting unit (+ operating costs): this price is absorbed on the whole downstream chain: fine and easy grinding possible with a simple hammer mill, easy pressing and energy-saving, storage and handling without constraints, transport optimized in terms of energy density / cost, easy substitutability in large coal-fired boilers and less bulk of the initial stock for lovers of pellet stoves (+ better autonomy of the hopper ).
Due to the number of pellet heaters, there is a considerable market for the sale of this product, a market built by the first installers and suppliers: the only thing left for new technology is to occupy this land by first occupants. This is very easy since the capital required for these roasting plants reserves them for financial groups. Smaller manufacturers, faced with higher manufacturing and supply costs, will not be able to struggle for long, especially since a bit of temporary dumping on prices can quickly make way for more.

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Re: Roasted pellets, the new threat?




by Did67 » 30/07/18, 19:54

Quickly, I will come back maybe on the subject:

a) Note that the transformation of wood into pellets makes it possible to increase the yield, by burning a standardized and dry fuel, with controlled combustion. If we transformed all the badly burned "logs" in non-controlled stoves (or controlled by suffocation - regulation of the draft - at low temperature) or, worse, in "open fires", we can, with the same quantity of collected biomass , heat significantly more housing (at least a third).

b) Note that there is a considerable reduction in emissions, wood (unmanned) heating being quite catastrophic in this area.

c) The French forest is expanding; the volumes stored increase; the samples are inferior to the natural growth.

We can certainly be wary.

One can of course be anti-capitalist.

We have the right to live "into the wild". But note that even then, hunting and gathering constitute a modification of natural balances - without being irreversible!

It will be necessary to admit one day that if we want to be completely "green", only suicide remains by sudden stop of breathing (emission of CO²).

Or admit that man is part of the living. That it tends, as a predator, to do a little more damage! Its wood samples are more important than those of beavers, it's clear!

[That being said, I agree with ahmed on the fact that this "technological shift" is the attempt by large groups to appropriate a sector that is essentially beyond their control, the bulk of the production of "white" pellets. being still the fact of small structures - sawmills, etc - even if mastodons like "German Pellets" emerged - before being in default of payment.]
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by Christophe » 30/07/18, 19:56

moinsdewatt wrote:The info is very recent, it dates from the 22 July 2018, link
https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detai ... id=9978016


Uh yes, you thought I gave you outdated info? : Cheesy:
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Re: Roasted pellets, the new threat?




by Ahmed » 30/07/18, 21:29

Did, I hear your remarks, what is disturbing is not the levy itself, but its industrial and absolute nature, unbearable compared to natural abilities.
You write:
The French forest is expanding; the volumes stored increase; the samples are inferior to the natural growth.
Certainly, but a part of this forest is in any case unusable because of its particular role and a higher flow would soon overcome the conventional and exploitable: remember the previous episodes of forest retreat: still that at these times, the needs were very modest compared to those of today.
What is in question is the principle of energy substitution instead of a resolute "detumescence".
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