Gorges 3 dam: human, social and ecological impact

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Gorges 3 dam: human, social and ecological impact




by Christophe » 02/07/11, 19:54

Yang-tseu-kiang: China of excess

After thirteen years of construction, the Three Gorges dam, on the Yang-tseu-kiang, was put into service in 2006. Chinese leaders like to highlight this giant building which produces one tenth of the electricity consumption of the country. But to build it, it was necessary to make disappear three cities, 1 villages, as well as numerous sites and historic buildings, and to move 700 million people. This documentary retraces the course of a river where nature, which was believed to be indomitable, gradually succumbs to the excess of man.

(Germany, 2008, 43mn)
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Date of first broadcast: Mon, 27. June 2011, 08:00 a.m.


Report to see a few more days on Arte + 1: http://videos.arte.tv/fr/videos/yang_ts ... 91592.html
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by sen-no-sen » 02/07/11, 20:16

Christophe wrote:(..) This documentary retraces the course of a river where nature, which was believed to be indomitable, gradually succumbs to the excess of man.


that remains to be seen ... as with nuclear power plants, the "experts" have only taken into account potential risks, and it is a safe bet that nature will play some bad tricks on them.
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by clasou » 02/07/11, 22:39

Yes nature is always right,
Besides, in the report he talks about the first dam that they were forced to close.
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by Christophe » 03/07/11, 06:46

Always right but there are risks that we provoke more or less too! We have been building hydroelectric dams for 100 years, so it's still a mastered technology! I speak from the point of view of a work of art! Because mastering the geology of a 600 km long reservoir is another matter!

Then there are flaws in design and construction ... which can lead to a humanitarian disaster ...

In this regard, there is a little-known film with Daniel Auteuil and Michel Serrault to see on the rupture of the Vajont dam in Italy: https://www.econologie.com/la-folie-des- ... e-319.html

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_de_Vajont

I like the title, "La Folie des Hommes" very universal ... it could very well have applied to other industrial disasters (Bhopal, Chernobyl, Fukushima, BP oil spills or Exxon Valdez ... etc etc ...)

https://www.econologie.com/la-folie-des- ... -2495.html

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Film French, Italian. Genre: Drama
Release Date: November 27 2002
Michel Serrault, Daniel Auteuil, Laura Morante
Duration: 1h 56min.
Original title: Vajont

Summary

In 1959, the largest dam in Europe was built in the Vajont valley.
Begun at the end of the XNUMXs under the direction of Carlo Semenza, the works encountered many difficulties. His second, Biadène, ignores natural dangers. Its main concern is the opposition that the project meets with local populations. Tina Merlin, communist journalist at Unita, is the figurehead of this dispute.
The completion of the works threatens to be delayed due to the fragility of the land. The dam is however completed and the reservoir is at its maximum height. The drama is inevitable.

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A true and moving story that shows how the search for recognition and profit makes engineers blind and contemptuous. Their decisions will however lead to the death of several thousand people despite all the warning signs, voluntarily ignored by those in charge of the project in order to meet deadlines and not to confess their wrongs ...

Should we see an analogy with global warming? Nothing is less sure...

If the actors are good, the production could have been more careful, it's a shame.
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by dedeleco » 03/07/11, 12:42

This type of huge dam has serious consequences even without disaster:
The end of alluvial deposits in the delta which will bring Shangai down into the sea as for the Nile delta which disappears in the sea, even that of the Rhône !!.
In addition, the dam fills with alluvium and in 100years underwater will only have alluvium instead of water !!

Otherwise, given the mountains around, the risk of mountain collapse in the basin, spontaneous or by earthquake is enormous, and the tsunami wave caused can destroy the dam !!
This risk is very underestimated and certain !!
Then the disaster will be the size of the Chinese population!

The difference with nuclear is that we can come back to it immediately after, instead of many centuries later, for nuclear !!
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by clasou » 03/07/11, 13:13

Hello,
And even if we omit the ecological impact, or the long-term performance of the dam.
I did not hear in the report, and I do not think anyone knows, that it was the energy balance, because in addition to the construction.
When we see that they have rebuilt entire cities.

the carbon footprint must be huge, they will be able to plant trees to compensate
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by Christophe » 03/07/11, 18:30

clasou wrote:the carbon footprint must be huge, they will be able to plant trees to compensate
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I don't know I think its nominal power is 18 GW, which is still quite huge, it is about twenty nuclear reactors ...

Carbon level compared to the coal which predominates in China (1 power plant open every 1 to 2 weeks ...), I presume that it will quickly pay for itself ...
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by phil53 » 05/07/11, 11:38

The barrage of the three gorges is done, let's hope it resists.

Others are under study. I am not for these pharaonic projects which ultimately benefit especially the powerful
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by dedeleco » 05/07/11, 15:42

These gigantic dams could flood much less, if we made 20 small local dams of small drop (already very big because with high flow) and which would give strictly the same energy with much less damage !!

All this for almost the same price and much less ecological and human damage, evacuations and risks of unprecedented disaster, with tens of millions of inhabitants under the waves of a dam that gives way !! .

The ideology of the gigantic alleged cheaper remains irremovable !!!

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by Christophe » 11/07/11, 10:23

Information found in an old email about the siltation of the dams:

Hello,
Reader of your site that I appreciate, I send you the following comment: "How to resolve the siltation of the dams?" Which foreshadows a Franco-Chinese collaboration. It was written by myself, Professor Levacher (University of Caen) and Philippe Dhervilly (Industrial specialist in sludge).

As you see fit, you can report it or put it online. Free to you!

Sincerely,


How to resolve siltation of dams?


Leaning on artificial lakes or reservoirs, a dam is a work of art promoting the regulation of the flow of a river, a river or a tide. Often it promotes crop irrigation. Sometimes it tempers the possibility of natural disasters, floods or floods. Under certain conditions, it authorizes the production of electricity. For a long time their construction celebrated a revenge on nature. "Today domesticated!" Exclaimed President Roosevelt as he launched the New Deal dam construction program. "Our country will never be the same again! »Enthused President Nasser at the inauguration of the one in Aswan. "China has conquered its river! »The Chinese authorities are trumpeting today.

With nature, arrogance is bad idiots! eillère. A dam is not a neutral infrastructure. Shaking up the environment, it changes the cycle and distribution of sediments. Trapped in fictitious spaces, their accumulation poses serious problems. In the case of coastal dams, this presence affects not only navigation channels but also fish spawning areas. These deposits have multiple repercussions such as the degradation of the water quality, the appearance of unsightly heap, the pressures linked to anthropogenic activities and finally the climatic signal. Celebrated as the only one of its kind, the fame of the Rance tidal barrage is now altered by the alarming siltation of its estuary. Another example, the Arzal dam, used com! reserves me drinking water, troubles the mouth of the Vilaine, leaving a siltation close to 22 million m3 of mud, that alone, almost 50% of that existing in the port area for mainland France. In China, the Three Gorges Dam, the largest in the world, could upset the ecosystem. Born of a diversion from the Chang Jiang River, the structure is structured around a reservoir with an area of ​​1084 km2. However the sedimentary evolution remains an unknown. What is more, in the absence of consolidation measures, sediments constitute a real danger in the event of a seismic event. In addition, downstream of large cities, they are sometimes contaminated. They therefore adversely affect the quality of the groundwater.

It is therefore no exaggeration to assert that the sustainability of dams depends on the solutions provided to the treatment of sediments. However, no sedimentary deposit can be reduced to a pre-established scientific model. Each dam maintains its own relationship with its environment. Only a hydro sedimentary examination manages to model it. Only here, to deliver reliable results, these studies must necessarily stretch in the! time. The phenomenon then worsens.

To combat the presence of sediment, to date, no solution is required. The technique of raising the dike is sometimes considered. According to some studies, it paradoxically accelerates the deposition of sediment. In the case of a coastal dam, these can be used for recharging nearby beaches. However, the option most often chosen consists of their immersion offshore. In appearance, this solution preserves the estuarine balances but it displaces the problem. Immersion operations can only be carried out taking into account the constraints of preserving the ecosystem. How then to take up the siltation problem head on, knowing that the evacuation of these low consolidation deposits is not easy. In addition, expensive and without return! economic. The solution could come from China. Confronted with the problem of siltation of its ports and estuaries, added to the unknown of the Three Gorges dam, China intends to provide an industrial response by recovering sediments as construction materials. First for dam construction, road backfilling but also for the manufacture of noble products, such as bricks. This approach associates industrialists with universities and research centers. For several years, civil engineering departments have been working on the mechanical performance of the vase. Zhejiang University in Hangzhou has developed a brick from the vases of its bordering lake. In Guangdong province, other processes are at work. Little by little, the technique is improving. This is not an innocent move. Complying with the new orientations of the National Popular Assembly, China now intends to become the laboratory of the world. In the field of new building materials, it takes advantage of the weakness of European research policy as well as the overly timid strategy of Western multinationals. And already, ahead of them. In addition, the enormous needs of its construction market favor this choice. Demand is pouring in, not only from China but also around the world. In the Maghreb, for example, Chinese expertise could provide solutions to certain heavily congested dams, such as those at Beni Amrane (Algeria) and Saboun (Morocco). Worried about the lost reserves! due to the silting up of the Aswan dam reservoirs! Egytians should also consult Chinese engineers. In France, the growing concerns of associations, linked to serious problems of siltation not only of dams but also on the coastal area, in particular, in port areas, impose a radical solution. The Franco-Chinese company Paneurochina intends to provide a global response to the treatment of sediments, resulting from dams or sea mud.
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