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Do not worry about the outside wood joinery - fake eco?




by the middle » 09/09/09, 12:19

Hello,
Currently, green wood? for doors and windows?
I say no.
Why?
After 20 all my windows are good to change, rotten.
Balance sheet:
Every two or three: painting work:
To know: various expenses:
Sandpaper
Colour
White spirit
brushes
Paper casch of protection
Gasoline or oil or oil to buy the gear
Time lost to nonsense
Beers to support this work
Disposal of cans
Go to the dump to eliminate paint cans
Risk of falling from the scale to 4m high
After 20 years glazing change, which leads ceiling work, wallpaper, clean disposal of old woodwork, etc ... : Evil:
Conclusion, LIVE THE RIGHT PVC, (which is UV resistant)
Sometimes the chemistry is good
Ha bin, a whimper, it feels good : Cheesy:
But maybe I'm wrong :D
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by Christophe » 09/09/09, 12:30

For wood I agree, it's hyper-restrictive! The "ecological" wooden cladding raises the same remarks as the frames!

By cons I do not know if the "good pvc" really holds more than 20 years ...

The only thing that really holds is the aluminum but it moves, it deforms and the thermal performance is worse than with PVC even with a thermal break (we have at home that have 25 years but we is not about to change them!).

This debate can open a substantive debate on: what are the real criteria for sustainability?

Thank you for putting it :)
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by Did67 » 09/09/09, 12:42

This is a shade for the cladding, because the issue of waterproofing is not to the same degree. Correctly laid, a cladding "dries" and is still effective as a "skin" well beyond the age of 20 (except if it is poorly laid and has permanently "wet spots").

From wood to PVC, there is room! An elegant solution, I find, but expensive: the "wood / aluminum" composite (like Velux for roof windows)
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by I Citro » 09/09/09, 13:20

: Arrow: 10 years ago we moved into an 1976 home.
Wood joinery (single glazing) were already repainted.
I didn't do it by saying, "well, we're going to have to change them."
:?
Certainly I do not see spending time to restore simple windows.

But at the time of choice, it's sure, it will not be wood on the outside.
In 1976, my parents have PVC windows installed and they have not moved.
The icing on the cake, a window was broken, to replace it, one puts it by the top.
8)
By contrast, PVC roller shutters have aged less well ...

Currently the wood remains a top side insulation.
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by the middle » 09/09/09, 13:40

Me who works in plastic, I can tell you that longevity question, it's just a question of additives!
Anti UV, and others, so a question of politics!
Require manufacturers to meet standards ...
Difficult to tell the "masters of the industry" make sustainable
Sustainable = contrary to growth
Growth = sell ... always more
Sell ​​= make unsustainable
Must do the revolution .. :? no other choice
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by Rabbit » 09/09/09, 13:50

To treat the wood there is also linseed oil.This takes a certain
time to take but do not scratch or sand.
Just put one layer once a year.
I do this in the spring. The advantage is that even if we do
stains on the stone, that we put in the hands or even
on earth it does not matter. In the case of stone this the
share in 4 to 6 months.
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by Christophe » 09/09/09, 13:53

Did67 wrote:This is a shade for the cladding, because the issue of waterproofing is not to the same degree. Correctly laid, a cladding "dries" and is still effective as a "skin" well beyond the age of 20 (except if it is poorly laid and has permanently "wet spots").


Yes for the lifetime but if you want to keep the original look and avoid the bleaching of the wood, regular maintenance is required!

At the end of the street, an extension was carried out: "hybrid" way: stone facing below and wood cladding above.

It was very beautiful (I like the mix of materials) but after just 2 or 3 months, the wood to begin to wash ... yuck!

Did67 wrote:From wood to PVC, there is room! An elegant solution, I find, but expensive: the "wood / aluminum" composite (like Velux for roof windows)


Alu wood is the most expensive of the frames actually.

What do you mean by "from the margin"?

citro wrote:Currently the wood remains a top side insulation.


Euh at equivalent thickness; the modern PVC frames are better I think ...
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by the middle » 09/09/09, 16:41

To treat the wood there is also linseed oil

That's what I should have done from the beginning.
Now everything is almost rotten ... :?
It will be plastoche when I have some wheat : Cheesy:
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by tararika » 29/09/09, 22:03

I think that alu wood is a very interesting alternative!

I'm doing quotes for my future home.
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by Woodcutter » 30/09/09, 00:36

Must stop saying anything! :frown:

Whether it is cladding or joinery, just choose the "right" wood for:
- do not have to do any treatment of any kind,
- have durable products that hold well 30 years easily and even more for cladding!

And for those keen on the treatment, there are for example natural pigmented oils which do not contain "crap" ...

PVC may be interesting for the price side, performance, sustainability maybe (?) But it is not and will never be a product with a low environmental impact !!! : Evil:
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